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3pupLPC

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I'm thinking about stepping into Greco land for the first time, and have been eyeing up these two EGF's. Honestly, it won't get a LOT of playing time, but I just sold my RLG-60, and I like to have a '59 type in the pool...
Just wondering what you guys thought of these two compared against each other.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180449310028&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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3pupLPC said:
I'm thinking about stepping into Greco land for the first time, and have been eyeing up these two EGF's. Honestly, it won't get a LOT of playing time, but I just sold my RLG-60, and I like to have a '59 type in the pool...
Just wondering what you guys thought of these two compared against each other.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180449310028&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220531945232&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


This one, you sold this one? :-?
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=95430&highlight=#95430

personally, I would have kept the Burny; after all, they all have veneer tops :evil: so, what's the difference?

I have owned examples of the EGF-850, the EGF-1000, and a gazzillion Burnys, and the Burnys are a much better value, IMO.

to each his own .........................
 
MIJvintage said:
3pupLPC said:
I'm thinking about stepping into Greco land for the first time, and have been eyeing up these two EGF's. Honestly, it won't get a LOT of playing time, but I just sold my RLG-60, and I like to have a '59 type in the pool...
Just wondering what you guys thought of these two compared against each other.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180449310028&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220531945232&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


This one, you sold this one? :-?
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=95430&highlight=#95430

personally, I would have kept the Burny; after all, they all have veneer tops :evil: so, what's the difference?

I have owned examples of the EGF-850, the EGF-1000, and a gazzillion Burnys, and the Burnys are a much better value, IMO.

to each his own .........................

Ouch! Yep, I let it go, but it went to a close friend whose sons had played it several times and always loved it. It was Christmas present to them, so I don't feel too bad.
BTW, I have my eye on a RLG-50 also :wink:
 
3pupLPC said:
Ouch! Yep, I let it go, but it went to a close friend whose sons had played it several times and always loved it. It was Christmas present to them, so I don't feel too bad.
BTW, I have my eye on a RLG-50 also :wink:


well, at least you're looking to get a (real) solid top, instead of some wanna be lumber :p .........................
 
MIJvintage said:
3pupLPC said:
I'm thinking about stepping into Greco land for the first time, and have been eyeing up these two EGF's. Honestly, it won't get a LOT of playing time, but I just sold my RLG-60, and I like to have a '59 type in the pool...
Just wondering what you guys thought of these two compared against each other.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180449310028&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220531945232&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


This one, you sold this one? :-?
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=95430&highlight=#95430

personally, I would have kept the Burny; after all, they all have veneer tops :evil: so, what's the difference?

I have owned examples of the EGF-850, the EGF-1000, and a gazzillion Burnys, and the Burnys are a much better value, IMO.

to each his own .........................

nitro and a fat neck.
 
I would go for the EGF1000.
It has braz board.
The Dimarzio DP103 are good alround pickups as well.
 
are the dimarzio PAF's in the EGF-1000 actually the DP103?

the EGF-1000 DIMARZIO'S are unmarked, whereas I seem to remember seeing the DP103 has that stamped on it
 
villager said:
are the dimarzio PAF's in the EGF-1000 actually the DP103?

the EGF-1000 DIMARZIO'S are unmarked, whereas I seem to remember seeing the DP103 has that stamped on it

I am pretty sure they are DP103.
I have had a few with stamps and at the time I think Dimarzio had only the DP103.
 
are you saying you have had EGF-1000's with stamped DP103 PU?

I have seen the stamped DP103's in a few guitars of that era, but never as an original pickup in an EGF-1000 or in a tokai LS-100 or 120, which were the main dimarzio original models at the time,all of these without exception had ''dimarzio pickups made in USA'' stamped on it, and normally I see these described as ''dimarzio PAF's'' it would be interesting to know for sure if they were indeed unstamped DP103's or another model..

heh anyone have a dimarzio pickup catalogue circa 1980?

or any other info ?
 
villager said:
MIJvintage said:
3pupLPC said:
I'm thinking about stepping into Greco land for the first time, and have been eyeing up these two EGF's. Honestly, it won't get a LOT of playing time, but I just sold my RLG-60, and I like to have a '59 type in the pool...
Just wondering what you guys thought of these two compared against each other.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180449310028&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220531945232&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


This one, you sold this one? :-?
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=95430&highlight=#95430

personally, I would have kept the Burny; after all, they all have veneer tops :evil: so, what's the difference?

I have owned examples of the EGF-850, the EGF-1000, and a gazzillion Burnys, and the Burnys are a much better value, IMO.

to each his own .........................

nitro and a fat neck.

yes, nitro & fat neck; very true but that veneer thing :p
 
I don't know why you worry so much about veneer..

I like it, not as much as a solid top for sure, but thats just on a pure specs basis, some of my very best sounding LP's are veneer, and as for the de-lamination thing, I have never seen one like that in the flesh, but I am pretty sure its the result of some extremely harsh treatment involving water!! heh
 
villager said:
I don't know why you worry so much about veneer..

I like it, not as much as a solid top for sure, but thats just on a pure specs basis, some of my very best sounding LP's are veneer, and as for the de-lamination thing, I have never seen one like that in the flesh, but I am pretty sure its the result of some extremely harsh treatment involving water!! heh


I don't worry about it because I no longer own any veneer topped guitars.
Been there, done that, and I'm not impressed with what veneer tops have to offer.
If I don't believe in something, then I surely don't want to send it to a potential buyer.

It's a personal preference, sort of like pickups in a solid body are a personal preference.
Of course pickups can be easily changed.

A lifting, or shrinking, or delaminating veneer layer is not appealing whatsoever, and I have seen my share.
Veneers are not as easily changed as pickups so, I guess that's a bad comparison.
Again, it all comes down to personal taste.

The root of any of the above mentioned veneer issues is the method of construction.
Granted, a veneer example may have issues if it is not stored properly, because of humidity, and or temperature issues but if not for the physics of the veneer construction, the associated issues would never manifest.

I have yet to see any 1958, 1959, or 1960 Les Paul Model have these issues, or even a low end solid top for that matter, and it is because they did not utilize veneer construction.

If you have not experienced any of the veneer top issues yourself, then I would say you have had some great luck in that department :)

I have been pretty lucky with the head stock stuff tho'; no breaks :) , yet :-? ..............
 
villager said:
I don't know why you worry so much about veneer..

............ heh

I've seen one delaminated veneer, I bought it like that as a fix-up project, but I've seen loads that have made it through 30 years without a problem.

The EGF's, even the 850's have some magical touches that make them a bit special, great necks, braz boards & great pickups, they are popular (and pricy) for good reason :D
 
you do worry about it, your always slagging off veneer tops, and I think unjustly so, so you dislike them so much you will not own one, thats your choice, but other people, including myself happen to think they are GREAT..heh

i never seen a delaminated one as I have my guitars checked in Japan before the are sent to me, but of all the auctions I have seen, overall, there are very few examples that are delaminated .

heh were going off topic again...
 
villager said:
are you saying you have had EGF-1000's with stamped DP103 PU?

I have seen the stamped DP103's in a few guitars of that era, but never as an original pickup in an EGF-1000 or in a tokai LS-100 or 120, which were the main dimarzio original models at the time,all of these without exception had ''dimarzio pickups made in USA'' stamped on it, and normally I see these described as ''dimarzio PAF's'' it would be interesting to know for sure if they were indeed unstamped DP103's or another model..

heh anyone have a dimarzio pickup catalogue circa 1980?

or any other info ?

Ah...I wasn't clear enough.
They were stamped "Dimarzio" and nothing about DP.
However, a guy I know is a friend of Larry and I had him ask Larry for me. And DP103 it was.
 
JohnA said:
villager said:
I don't know why you worry so much about veneer..

............ heh


The EGF's, even the 850's have some magical touches that make them a bit special, great necks, braz boards & great pickups, they are popular (and pricy) for good reason :D


I previously owned several veneer topped Lesters, mostly Burny & Greco examples, and most were overall really nice, with the exception of several having veneer issues.

My 1980 EGF-850 had a nice fat neck & the PU-2 pickups sound really nice :D
I parted out the 850, as the veneer was totally trashed :evil: but I kept those PU-2s 8)

My 1980 EGF-1000 also had a nice fat neck & both guitars had Braz? boards :D 8)
Not so impressed with the DiMarzios in the 1000 tho? :(

I sold the 1000 to a guy in Wisconsin, and he sold it to a TF member, and he sold it to ............ well you get the picture ...........
 
same here, I used to like the Dimarzio's when I first heard them years ago, but over time I found that I prefer a lot of the other PU's around at the time, especially the maxxon 79-82 era ones, and the later fujigen ones in the greco mint collections.

having said that, they are not bad, just not my cup of tea, I find them generally a bit wooly in the neck position, but the super distortions are monsters!!
 
villager said:
you do worry about it, your always slagging off veneer tops, and I think unjustly so, so you dislike them so much you will not own one, thats your choice, but other people, including myself happen to think they are GREAT..heh

i never seen a delaminated one as I have my guitars checked in Japan before the are sent to me, but of all the auctions I have seen, overall, there are very few examples that are delaminated .

heh were going off topic again...


I don't believe I have stated my dislike for veneer tops any more than another TF member has stated his consternation for Gary Moore :lol:


yes, we are getting off topic; Doug, go with the EGF-850 if you must have a Greco veneer top, why?
The EGF-850, EGF-1000, and EGF-1200 are all basically the same guitar, with the exception of the pickups.
The PU-2 pickups in the 850 sound waaaay better than the DiMarzios and why pay more for basically the same guitar :wink:
Also, why pay $2K to $3K more for an EGF-1200 just for a set of Dry Zs that you can buy for $600 :wink: when the PU-2s sound just about as good as the Dry Zs :-?

IMO, AFA as the EGF-850, 1000 & 1200 are concerned, the best value is the 850, by far.

Now you have your answer Doug :D .....................
 
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