Norwegian A-hole

[Koubayashi]

I prefer the good old "eye for an eye" when it comes to murder. The criminals these days have more rights than the victims.

Sharia perhaps?

 

[marcusnieman]

I prefer the good old "eye for an eye" when it comes to murder. The criminals these days have more rights than the victims.

Sharia perhaps?

No, Sharia is a tad to extremist with respect to some if it's other practices. I'm just talking about clear cut, guilty of murder offenses. You take a person's life, you give up yours. Why is Charles Manson still alive? Why are we paying to keep that freak incarcerated? I'm all for pay per view executions with all proceeds going to the victim's family.

 

[bluejeannot]

Friends, by discussing the political/social background to this persons actions I think you are missing the point somewhat. THE GUY IS A FREAKING FRUITCAKE!!!! A GRADE ONE NUT JOB!!! he is clearlySEVERAL SANDWICHES SHORT OF A PICNIC!!!!Now if you want to execute someone who is clearly crazy go ahead but this guy is very,very sick ,most mass murderers are you know! No one in their right mind would commit murder ,never mind mass murderLock the crazy ******* up and throw away the key by all means,but execution?I don`t think so.Gabe.

 

[Stone Free]

Why is Charles Manson still alive? Why are we paying to keep that freak incarcerated?

Manson wasn't found guilty of the act of murder, but rather conspiracy to commit the Tate/LaBianca murders; he was convicted on the grounds that he masterminded the murders committed by the "Manson family" (Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel et al).

There are still people who were convicted of murder, incarcerated and on death row in the United States who are actually innocent. This is but one reason the system of capital punishment is a failure. If there is but one person wrongly convicted and sentenced to be executed, then that is one too many, and thus one can not arbitrarily execute prisoner 'A' solely because he/she admits it. The system either has to be 100% correct or not be used at all. Emotions aside (and of course that is hard to do), it must be this way to be truly just.

 

[CliffsGuitarWorld]

Hey I have an Idea..........

.................Why don't they throw this guy on the beach ... have all of the victims family's up on a Cliff with guns and tell him to swim.... or ... run......and everyone gets to off load on him !!!!

>>> **** Am I sick or what?.... 8) :roll:

 

[marcusnieman]

Think I'll stick to talking about guitars. I've said my piece on this.

 

[jacco]

No problems Marcus, we don't all have to agree!

 

[JVsearch]

...In a democracy, aren't the people who vote for a leader whom send soldiers to another country responsible for the deeds of those soldiers?

Yes, obviously, but not in a legal sense.

Only problem with it is that people always forget exactly what democracy is - it is not 'everybody gets to decide' it's majority rule.
In most democracies that usually means that just under half the voters are pissed off at various times! :lol:

Regarding the a-hole, surely he wont ever be allowed to leave prison?

 

[Anonymous]

Politics in Germany are doing what they always prefer to do : thinking about better laws to avoid incidents like this for the future...I ask myself what kind of law should avoid that a guy with a short circuit in his brain but who otherwise maintains a low profile will freak out one day.There was not one single sign before that this nutter has the short circuit.He kept his mouth shut over years til the last moment...may god help all people who've lost their children.

 

[Koubayashi]

...In a democracy, aren't the people who vote for a leader whom send soldiers to another country responsible for the deeds of those soldiers?

Yes, obviously, but not in a legal sense.

Only problem with it is that people always forget exactly what democracy is - it is not 'everybody gets to decide' it's majority rule.
In most democracies that usually means that just under half the voters are pissed off at various times! :lol:

Regarding the a-hole, surely he wont ever be allowed to leave prison?

Democracy per its' definition is "more or less" as corrupt as a totalitarian rule indeed.

You are not legally responsible for what the idiots you vote for do BUT you are morally responsible. The moral aspect is to me more important.

Norway is like Sweden, he'll be free in 10 years.

 

[jacco]

So there was a guy in Sweden too who murdered 76 people?

 

[Koubayashi]

So there was a guy in Sweden too who murdered 76 people?

Apart from the government? No, not that many but I know that Norway doesn't differ from Sweden when it comes to crime and punishment.
the only way to lock him away for ever is to declare him insane.

In Sweden it works like this:
Beat somebody half to death and you'll get a couple of months in prison BUT if you cheat the government on tax money you risk 1-2 years.
Socialism defined

 

[jacco]

Ofcourse, because in the first case it only inflicts one person and in the second case the complete nation

 

[Koubayashi]

Ofcourse, because in the first case it only inflicts one person and in the second case the complete nation

Ha ha, yeah. But paying high taxes inflicts on me as an individual and therefore the nation (government) should be penalized!

 

[JVsearch]

In Sweden it works like this:
Beat somebody half to death and you'll get a couple of months in prison BUT if you cheat the government on tax money you risk 1-2 years.

What were the facts of that beating case? Maybe there was provocation or other factors.

Tax laws are generally completely codified strict liability offences so there's no room for sentencing variations. Criminal laws on the other hand are often all over the place and open to huge variations in interpretation depending on the facts of the particular case.

And to be fair, Jacco is right - tax evasion and other white collar crime is much more damaging to society than two idiots beating each other up.

Be happy that Sweden and Norway aren't about to default instead of regurgitating the bankrupt conservative ideology that has clearly failed in recent years?

 

[bluejeannot]

+ 1 Gabe.

 

[Koubayashi]

In Sweden it works like this:
Beat somebody half to death and you'll get a couple of months in prison BUT if you cheat the government on tax money you risk 1-2 years.

What were the facts of that beating case? Maybe there was provocation or other factors.

Tax laws are generally completely codified strict liability offences so there's no room for sentencing variations. Criminal laws on the other hand are often all over the place and open to huge variations in interpretation depending on the facts of the particular case.

And to be fair, Jacco is right - tax evasion and other white collar crime is much more damaging to society than two idiots beating each other up.

Be happy that Sweden and Norway aren't about to default instead of regurgitating the bankrupt conservative ideology that has clearly failed in recent years?

If you can read Swedish I'll happily post thousands of links to show you that human life and well being is second to the state's income.

I'm not very interested in society's best if it means I have to cut down on my own best.
Frankly, if you knew what the Swedish government uses tax money for you'd probably agree with me.


Sweden won't default cause we made sure that the Baltic states took our problems (which is what our major banks actually did).

 

[strumbutter]

I'd move to Scandinavia any day, the Swedish women would love my rock star mullet I know it.