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jobu77
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: ZAKK WYLDE TOKAI BULLSEYE LES PAUL COPY Reply with quote

Hi everyone
I just recently purchased a Tokai guitar Its the Zakk Wylde Bullseye Les Paul copy and was wonder
if anyone could give me as much information & history about the guitar.


just some of the information I'm looking for are things like

: what year were they made ?
: is the year in the serial # ?
: how many were made?
: how do I find out what # mine is?
: how much did they sell for when they came out?
: what are the pick ups in it ( they are not EMGs)
................and anything more would be greatly appreciated

The guitar is incredible it really really is.
Its 100% better than the epiphone ZW - Bullseye copy


Thanks
Mike
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Ozeshin
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First I knew of this model
I'll hand over to our resident Zakk Wylde authority....hello...come in Mick...do you read me Mick?
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leadguitar_323
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey buddy, MIK and thats about it don't know much else i'm not even to sure what market they were made for... Not much help eh...

here's a review

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Tokai/Love+Rock+Custom+Zakk+Wylde+Model/10/1
Mick
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: ZAKK WYLDE TOKAI BULLSEYE LES PAUL COPY Reply with quote

jobu77 wrote:
Hi everyone
I just recently purchased a Tokai guitar Its the Zakk Wylde Bullseye Les Paul copy and was wonder
if anyone could give me as much information & history about the guitar.


It is another Fakai from the Canadian seller, see as well here:
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10081

jobu77 wrote:
The guitar is incredible it really really is.


Sure, why not? Maybe you're right. But it isn't a Tokai ...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: ZAKK WYLDE TOKAI BULLSEYE LES PAUL COPY Reply with quote

[quote]It is another Fakai from the Canadian seller, see as well here:
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10081[quote]

Ha, I guess I started a trend with this word. Catchy though isn't is?

Jason
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: ZAKK WYLDE TOKAI BULLSEYE LES PAUL COPY Reply with quote

Big Willie Style wrote:
Ha, I guess I started a trend with this word. Catchy though isn't is?

Jason

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does it seem that the only legit Tokai reseller in the whole of the Canadian province is JSD?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all, are you sure these are "fakai's" they are made in korea and have been around for a couple of years now, It also has no relevance to the other thread..?? I'm sure you are all aware by now that Tokai produce a lot of guitars that don't appear in their catalogues, the neo select models are a good example of these. I think some of us are a little quick in calling these Fakes..

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a quote from a guy who saw them at a trade show in the USA. QUOTE,
The story on those is, they made 25 for the trade shows accross the USA in 2004. No one took them up because obviously you have the licensed epiphones, so the logic goes who's going to by a copy of a copy etc, regardless of the fact that the Tokais piss on the epiphones. So, a trader in Canada bought all 25 and sold them on ebay. I was lucky to get one cuz originally he wouldn't ship here. I pestered him and thankfully he relented.
I will try to dig up some more info on these but as i said previously they are made in korea and are not fakes. Just because you haven't see them before doesn't mean they don't exist..

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozeshin wrote:
Why does it seem that the only legit Tokai reseller in the whole of the Canadian province is JSD?


Mike's Music in Ontario used to be pretty good but I don't know if he's a Tokai dealer any more.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gottfried is correct.

There can be opinions passed back and forth as to the legitimacy of these guitars, and others being Tokai.

They are not Tokai in the true sense of the word.

Fakai is correct.

Even these are not true Tokai guitars, however, if people chose to believe that they are....well, good on you.

http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/tokia-hummingbird/gtr-Blk-tokiaHB.htm

Just another Fakai.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter, where do think these were made ?? and define "true sense of the word"

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see where Mick's headed with this...Gottfried and Peter...
So if a Tokai was not a production run it's NOT a Toka?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx Oze, they said the same thing about neo select guitars, and they are definitely Tokai's. There seems to be a trend here that if they don't know, then its a fake. I find this a little small minded.. And i think also if you are going to put sh1t on this guys guitar then maybe you should offer some proof..!!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokai in Canada has always been a contentious issue, especially with respect to the origins of the pieces.

When the authenticity of these pieces has been challenged, there has been no proof offered to confirm that these pieces came through Tokai Gakki. A similar situation, although they are distrubuted under the Eastwood brand, applies with the Hummingbird. People can chose to believe it is a Tokai. These are not Tokai in the true sense of the word.

I do not recall putting "sh1t" on a guitar owned by anyone, just calling a spade a spade. Also, Mick, I do not recall questioning the legitimacy of the neo-select pieces, in the past. Perhaps there is some confusion here, or, are you a little miffed that I know that Tokai were not putting ill fitting "Les Paul" logo's on 1981 LC's (there are some laws that Tokai Gakki must abide by) and having a second hand dealer try and flog it as original. If that is the case, please hold the " narrow minded" for someone else, OK?

We all know that Tokai Gakki will make custom production runs, from time to time, no news here. They may be custom order by a customer, or, as a result in the timbers being used not fitting in with the existing Tokai Catalogue. That any "non production run" model is seen as a fake, by me or others (togps, in this case), is ridiculous. Where models that are unusual and one-off have cropped up around here, I have seen requests for more info on the piece, in particular, but no specific denials that they are, in fact Tokai Gakki guitars.

When I see some actual proof that these guitars sold in Canada are Tokai Gakki, then my stance will change and apologies will be offered to all that I have offended by calling Fakai.

First step would be to check some of the mirky mush and sidestepping used when these pieces have been challenged. There is no evidence that these are Tokai Gakki.

The second step would be to ask your contact about the legitimacy of these pieces.

Lets keep things warm and cozy, in this small club of Tokai owners. We can agree to disagree, I'm cool with that. However, leave out the personal slights, however oblique you like to cast them.
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