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nossnevs
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:38 am    Post subject: how old is this and..model ? Reply with quote

Hi
Can you help me.
I have 2 tokai springy sound.
One has the serie nr L 00500 and is a st 80.
I belive it is from 1981

But thet other one I bought (cant remember maybee1978 or 79)
have a nice coulour (babyblue) havent seen any others like this.
serienr 10468 and not 0010468.
Can you tell me the date and I dont know if it is st 50 st 55 st 60 ect.
How can I find out.
Its very nice to play and a very nice springy sound.


Thanks in advance.
http://www.multisound.dk/MS/Foto%20guitar/Tokai%20Blu/IMG_0061.jpg
http://www.multisound.dk/MS/Foto%20guitar/Tokai%20Blu/IMG_0064.jpg
http://www.multisound.dk/MS/Foto%20guitar/Tokai%20Blu/IMG_0066.jpg



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, welcome to the Registry !
All that I can say you is about color.
It seems a beautiful Sonic Blue. I have never seen a Tokai in that lacquer. Lucky you !!!
For specs and technic infos, better if you wait some forum guru !
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nossnevs
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you, yes i love that color, ( haven?t seen others) and the sound is awesome...good brilliant...I?m new here so thanks for your welcome.
I dont know if it is a st 50- 55- 60- 80- ect. and what the differents.
Only the neck ?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi nossnevs

The difference in the ST number of Strat copies indicates the quality of the instrument. The higher the number the better the quality of the copy.
Lower numbers indicate lower quality pickups, pots, tuners and that the body may be made out of a larger number of pieces of wood.

ST100 / ST120's had one pices bodies, Nitro Paint, Dimarzio Pickups.

Best way for the forum members to assist you is the take the guitar apart and then post photo's of:-

1. Back of the Pickups
2. End of the neck
3. Any markings in the pickup cavities on the body
4. Tuners
5. Bridge Saddles

Do this when you next change your strings
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks I?ll do that hope I wont be dissapointed
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: how old is this and..model ? Reply with quote

nossnevs wrote:
Hi
Can you help me.
I have 2 tokai springy sound.
One has the serie nr L 00500 and is a st 80.
I belive it is from 1981

But thet other one I bought (cant remember maybee1978 or 79)
have a nice coulour (babyblue) havent seen any others like this.
serienr 10468 and not 0010468.
Can you tell me the date and I dont know if it is st 50 st 55 st 60 ect.
How can I find out.
Its very nice to play and a very nice springy sound.

Pic1. www.multisound.dk/MS_/headstock.jpg
Pic2. www.multisound.dk/MS_/tokai1.jpg

Thanks in advance.


The five digit and Lxxxxx Fender style serial numbers were used for the late Springy's (probably first in 1981, definitely in 1982). They were also used for the 80's Goldstars. The spaghetti logo was used until 1982 so the beautiful blue Springy is probably from late '81 or '82. In 1983 a different logo was used.

In 1982 both the ST-50 and 60 maplenecks seems to have had '58 U-shaped necks with the butterfly string tree. The ST-80/100/120 models had '54 style V-shaped necks and round string trees.

On the 1984 Goldstar Sound mapleneck strats only the TST-50 had the U-shape, TST-60 and higher had V-necks.

Mike
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I would love to see pics of the L-series ST-80, would certainly help to get a close date.
The blue one is a late82 ST-55 SO. Essentially a 1958 Strat in Sonic Blue. pickups will have a grey bottom and the letter 'U' stamped on them.

Have a look under the other Tokais pickguard and see what it says.

regards
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Mac wrote:
Hi guys,

I would love to see pics of the L-series ST-80, would certainly help to get a close date.
The blue one is a late82 ST-55 SO. Essentially a 1958 Strat in Sonic Blue. pickups will have a grey bottom and the letter 'U' stamped on them.

Have a look under the other Tokais pickguard and see what it says.

regards
Peter Mac


Hi Peter

Ok so the Sonic blu is late 82, what does SO stand for.
I like it very much even the number 55 indicate it?s a low end copy, it sounds very nice maybee because of the mable neck. Springy plastic fresh sound. And yes your right about the pickups, grey and U stamp.

And now for the L series ST-80.
The pickups are grey and U stamp. I bought it used many years ago
and just found out that the guy before me have plan to put in a humbuck
pickup. I took it apart and and saw that he had cut in the body ...shame..
Take a look at the pictures....damed...

http://www.multisound.dk/MS/Foto%20guitar/Tokai%20green/IMG_0081.jpg

http://www.multisound.dk/MS/Foto%20guitar/Tokai%20green/IMG_0002_2.jpg
I still much more like to play on my Sonic Blu, better sound for me and much more nice to play, but maybee thats just me,,,
I?m looking for a Tokai ES 120 or ES 60, whats the different?s or maybee a FA 70, I think it must be a Japanese model, is there anything I should prefere or anything I should avoid ?
I might sale my L serie ST 80 or use it as trade in.
Thank you

Michael


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Michael,
I've got some good news and some bad news and some really bad news.

REALLY bad news - the guitar is not an ST-80, it is probably an ST-55. From the body code 2=8 MG it left the factory as a Metallic Gold finish, and ST-80's were not offered in Custom colours, also the 'U' stamp indictates a lower model than ST-80

BAD news - trying to determine if the parts are all original. The base of the neck should have a stamp also that should be 2=8 or 2=9. if this is so then it is the original neck for the body but why anyone would change from Gold finish to satin black does pose a question of theft

GOOD news -
L-series plate means a rosewood fingerboard - correct
It is a Springysound
It is pre-83, with alder body
Code would have been ST-55 MGR
Humbucker routing will have no interferance with overall sound.
It does look very vintage

2) SO is the Tokai colour code for Sonic Blue with Maple neck

regrads
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Mac wrote:
Hi Michael,
I've got some good news and some bad news and some really bad news.

REALLY bad news - the guitar is not an ST-80, it is probably an ST-55. From the body code 2=8 MG it left the factory as a Metallic Gold finish, and ST-80's were not offered in Custom colours, also the 'U' stamp indictates a lower model than ST-80

regards
Peter Mac


Peter, in the 1985 catalog "MG" stands for Metallic Green and was available for TST-55. The Gold Metallic is called "GM". The guitar in the pictures look like green metallic to me.

Mike
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

javelin70 wrote:
Peter Mac wrote:
Hi Michael,
I've got some good news and some bad news and some really bad news.

REALLY bad news - the guitar is not an ST-80, it is probably an ST-55. From the body code 2=8 MG it left the factory as a Metallic Gold finish, and ST-80's were not offered in Custom colours, also the 'U' stamp indictates a lower model than ST-80

regards
Peter Mac


Peter, in the 1985 catalog "MG" stands for Metallic Green and was available for TST-55. The Gold Metallic is called "GM". The guitar in the pictures look like green metallic to me.

Hi guys

Sorry for a bad picture, yes it is metallic green and 100 % not homemade painting. So I?m sure it is original coulor.
On the backside on the neck there is a sticker and yes , sorry guys,
the sticker says st 55 - I need classes.

Thank you for your help.

Can you feel a big difference from st 55 to st 80

And do any of you know anything of old tokai es 120.

Thanks

Michael










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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, in my opinion the (T)ST-50/55 models are excellent guitars. The differences are number of pieces of wood used for the body (my TST-50 Goldstar has a three piece body), the pickups and the paint. As far as I know ST-80 has nitro cellulose laquer and ST-50/55 some kind of poly finish. I've always loved Tokai's thin poly finish, I think it's very nice. The "U" pickups used for the ST-50/55 Springy's and earliest Goldstar's are also very good in my opinion.

This is my TST-50 Goldstar with TST-60/80 v-neck, definitely one of my favorite guitars!



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That pickgaurd with the maple neck was the first thing I noticed
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Peter Mac, are you still working on the Ultimate Tokai Book? I haven't been here much recently either...been on a Mad Rickenbacker and Hofner buying spree! It's nice to come home! MH
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,
yeah I know I got the colour code confused - I'm at work and don't have all my info handy. - SORRY.
Hi TG, yeah still doing the book, it just seems the more i put in the more there is to put in...
Alder bodies - Alder is a small tree so large pieces are hard to aquire. Most alder guitar bodies are 2 or 3 piece ( even with pre-CBS Fender) there just aren't large enough bits for a 1-piece body. However Alder is also not tonally affected by the number of pieces in the body the way Ash, Mahogany and Maple are so is a far better working wood. It is easy to finish, holds paint well and develops with age. Compared to Basswood (IMO compressed sawdust) i would rather have Alder any day.
Fender used Alder for the Strat bodys of their guitars since 1956 with ash only being offered for sunburst or blonde finishes.
regards
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