Trying to Date / Identify My New (Old) Burny

[jacco]

They never made the 5 piece diamond past 85/86 however so that narrows it down a bit My Burny "lightning bolt" actually had a date stamp from 1987 in the cavity with a winged TRC.

I remember that white Burny custom you had. Remember? You argued that it was an 85' not 87', because of the serial number starting with a 5? But, in my experience, serials numbers in the bridge cavity are usually from the 90's. You had a RLG-70 that started with a 7 serial, that you thought was from 87' But, I thought it was from the 90's aswell since, the RLG-70'S don't show up til' the 90's. Same with the RLC-75, they don't show up til 91'. I for one, try not go by catalogs as being gospel but, would they use the wrong catalog pic for 5 years in a row, if the RLC-75's or RLG-70's came out in 86? I still tend to agree with, Nil's Burny info page on serial numbers in the bridge pickup cavity being from the 90's and winged TRC and lightning bolts starting in 88'. http://www.japanguitars.co.uk/burny%20info.html

My thoughts exactly!
Isn't there more logic to these Burny's with winged TRC's, lightning bolt inlay & S/N being 90s models?

@lejuge:
I am interested what made you decide they were 80s models. I have read some of your posts on different forums:

http://forum.japanaxe.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=783

and

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=102070&sid=813375e3da966df5f926870411d3bfb0

On February 11 2009 you say you 'hope' your guitar (which is the same guitar you are showing here) is from 1986 and on
July 14 2009 you say you are sure it's from from 1986. So somewhere during those 4/5 months you must have come by some proof of that?

 

[NWOBHM]

hi
yes ....they looks like twins great guitars ,,,,,,,
i really like the early burny to death
all the best
otto

Me too! I think the later RLG90 looks more like a 59' but, the lighter FLG90 just feels better in the hands!

 

[muccax]

here is a link to the early lp jr i got last year ,,,, with a serial in the pickup cavity
http://imageevent.com/chingo123/april2009/burnylpjnrtvyellow4128
all the best
otto

 

[muccax]

hi i got a flg 90 ,,, rlg 50 ... 2 firebirds ,,, a angus young sg with vh 1 ,,, 4 other burny sg and 3 lp jr 2 double cut and one singel cut
sorry i am not very good at posting pictures on this site ,,, i would like to show them
all the best

otto

 

[Udonitron]

They never made the 5 piece diamond past 85/86 however so that narrows it down a bit My Burny "lightning bolt" actually had a date stamp from 1987 in the cavity with a winged TRC.

I remember that white Burny custom you had. Remember? You argued that it was an 85' not 87', because of the serial number starting with a 5? But, in my experience, serials numbers in the bridge cavity are usually from the 90's. You had a RLG-70 that started with a 7 serial, that you thought was from 87' But, I thought it was from the 90's aswell since, the RLG-70'S don't show up til' the 90's. Same with the RLC-75, they don't show up til 91'. I for one, try not go by catalogs as being gospel but, would they use the wrong catalog pic for 5 years in a row, if the RLC-75's or RLG-70's came out in 86? I still tend to agree with, Nil's Burny info page on serial numbers in the bridge pickup cavity being from the 90's and winged TRC and lightning bolts starting in 88'. http://www.japanguitars.co.uk/burny%20info.html

Possibly but regarding your points, there is always an exception to the rule. Just like a few other people here who posted photos to counteract the ideal on the winged TRC being from 89. I think the people who made these guitars did whatever they felt like personally...some had serials, some did not. I know all about Nil's BTW, thanks however. I think Otto's post says something as well.

 

[NWOBHM]

here is a link to the early lp jr i got last year ,,,, with a serial in the pickup cavity
http://imageevent.com/chingo123/april2009/burnylpjnrtvyellow4128
all the best
otto

Otto, Wrong link but, I'll yake TV yellow! I thin this is the one you wanted. http://imageevent.com/chingo123/july2010/burnysgradelpjnrred5314

 

[NWOBHM]

sheez quit editing allready!

 

[NWOBHM]

Otto's post what I already know about serials in early 80's Burny's. I'm just injecting some logic.

 

[muccax]

hi
no the yellow one i got last year ,,,, the red one is on the way from japan right now ,,,
all the best
otto

 

[NWOBHM]

hi i got a flg 90 ,,, rlg 50 ... 2 firebirds ,,, a angus young sg with vh 1 ,,, 4 other burny sg and 3 lp jr 2 double cut and one singel cut
sorry i am not very good at posting pictures on this site ,,, i would like to show them
all the best

otto

Have you tried photobucket.com? It's pretty easy and free, I'm computer illiterate and even I can use it! How about a Burny SGJr.? I looked for one but, couldn't find one. When I bought a Gibson with a short vibrato then they started popping up!!

 

[muccax]

hi
i would love a burny sg jr but not easy to find one ,,,,,
all the best
otto

 

[le juge]

They never made the 5 piece diamond past 85/86 however so that narrows it down a bit My Burny "lightning bolt" actually had a date stamp from 1987 in the cavity with a winged TRC.

I remember that white Burny custom you had. Remember? You argued that it was an 85' not 87', because of the serial number starting with a 5? But, in my experience, serials numbers in the bridge cavity are usually from the 90's. You had a RLG-70 that started with a 7 serial, that you thought was from 87' But, I thought it was from the 90's aswell since, the RLG-70'S don't show up til' the 90's. Same with the RLC-75, they don't show up til 91'. I for one, try not go by catalogs as being gospel but, would they use the wrong catalog pic for 5 years in a row, if the RLC-75's or RLG-70's came out in 86? I still tend to agree with, Nil's Burny info page on serial numbers in the bridge pickup cavity being from the 90's and winged TRC and lightning bolts starting in 88'. http://www.japanguitars.co.uk/burny%20info.html

My thoughts exactly!
Isn't there more logic to these Burny's with winged TRC's, lightning bolt inlay & S/N being 90s models?

@lejuge:
I am interested what made you decide they were 80s models. I have read some of your posts on different forums:

http://forum.japanaxe.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=783

and

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=102070&sid=813375e3da966df5f926870411d3bfb0

On February 11 2009 you say you 'hope' your guitar (which is the same guitar you are showing here) is from 1986 and on
July 14 2009 you say you are sure it's from from 1986. So somewhere during those 4/5 months you must have come by some proof of that?

I have a RSA model from early/mid 80's, the S/N in the neck pickup cavity is 2XXXX, I don't think it was made in 1992 (because of the flower shape on the headstock, the TRC shape and the L8000 Pickups), I don't know if it prove something, but my though is that guitar was made in 1982.
Even it's difficult to prove something, we can only "suppose that", the only way to know the truth would be the memories of a japanese worker who made these guitars.

S/N under the tape is 2XXXX.

 

[Udonitron]

sheez quit editing allready!

Grammatical errors irritate me lol...I am at work so I have to be quick about posting!

 

[muccax]

hi
one easy way to find out is to look at the pots ,,, all the early burny i got has got 250 kohm pots ,,,, from noble ,,,, so if you can look at the pots i think you tell it that way
all the best
otto

 

[NWOBHM]

No sweat guys. I've seen plenty of early 80's Burny's with serial numbers in the neck pickup cavity. Like I've mentioned before.

 

[le juge]

They never made the 5 piece diamond past 85/86 however so that narrows it down a bit My Burny "lightning bolt" actually had a date stamp from 1987 in the cavity with a winged TRC.

I remember that white Burny custom you had. Remember? You argued that it was an 85' not 87', because of the serial number starting with a 5? But, in my experience, serials numbers in the bridge cavity are usually from the 90's. You had a RLG-70 that started with a 7 serial, that you thought was from 87' But, I thought it was from the 90's aswell since, the RLG-70'S don't show up til' the 90's. Same with the RLC-75, they don't show up til 91'. I for one, try not go by catalogs as being gospel but, would they use the wrong catalog pic for 5 years in a row, if the RLC-75's or RLG-70's came out in 86? I still tend to agree with, Nil's Burny info page on serial numbers in the bridge pickup cavity being from the 90's and winged TRC and lightning bolts starting in 88'. http://www.japanguitars.co.uk/burny%20info.html

First thing, the wings TRC on my LP Jr is a stock part, the japanese seller says it was bought in 1987 and never change anything on the guitar, and 1987 was the year put on the bill (and it was his first guitar also). So now I'm thinking 1987 is a year with wings TRC.
Second thing, I have never seen my RLC75 model or other artist models in any Fernandes catalogue.
So maybe S/N after 1987 doesn't mean nothing ? that's a very good question.

 

[Udonitron]

You had a RLG-70 that started with a 7 serial, that you thought was from 87' But, I thought it was from the 90's aswell since, the RLG-70'S don't show up til' the 90's.

Forgot to add due to time...

Can you show me where in the 1997 catalog the RLG 70 is located? You will also notice after 92 in the catalogs there are no longer RLG's but rather just "LG" models. My RLG-70 said RLG-70 in the cavity along with the serial which follows the regular Burny dating format which points to 1987 . So either the model was out earlier and the catalog conflicts with that OR Burny's serial number meant nothing...either way we have no solid proof and really this whole discussion is just totally silly lol. These discussions always come up and they always end how they started, with more questions and a stale mate. The only way we will ever know is if a Burny rep came in and set us straight. Otherwise it is all theory...

Look at my curly topped Burny..that is a total mystery, it has mix and match identifications and even has 90, 120, & 150 scratched out in the neck...then a 240 in there. Who knows really...

 

[le juge]

We have noticed that the catalogues were not updated, so the "Fernandes catalogue theory" is a funny thing in the mij history.

 

[NWOBHM]

Your right after 92' they don't don't even feature burny's in the catalogs. The RLG-70 isn't in the 97' catalog, just like it isn't in the 87' catalog but, is in the 90', right? In fact tons of Burny's I've seen are never in catalogs. The only RLC-75 I've seen is in the 91' catalog but, no artist model. So, you can have the last word below :wink:

 

[Udonitron]

Thus WHY are we still in here talking about this silly crap then LMAO!?