Mick51
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Looks like it ends around 3-Jan-2010, Japan.
Looks like it ends around 3-Jan-2010, Japan.
RyanC said:Ended at 365K - a veritable bargain compare to the 551K example a couple months ago.
MIJvintage said:RyanC said:Ended at 365K - a veritable bargain compare to the 551K example a couple months ago.
just goes to demonstrate that the difference in top color, flame, and weight equals real money ................
Koubayashi said:Obviously it is not very reasonable that a Tokai is more expensive than a 10 years older Gibson.
RyanC said:Koubayashi said:Obviously it is not very reasonable that a Tokai is more expensive than a 10 years older Gibson.
Except for the fact it's a better guitar, of course. You're comparing 70's Norlin-era Gibsons to this? Apples to oranges IMHO.
Koubayashi said:RyanC said:Koubayashi said:Obviously it is not very reasonable that a Tokai is more expensive than a 10 years older Gibson.
Except for the fact it's a better guitar, of course. You're comparing 70's Norlin-era Gibsons to this? Apples to oranges IMHO.
Lesters from 68-74 are as good or even better. And they are real Les Pauls, not copies.
When it comes to vintage value and collectability quality is insignificant.
All those super expensive mint 50s are often times no good players.
Even JVs that are mint are in general bad guitars.
Guitars must be played to be good (to generalise).
Koubayashi said:MIJvintage said:RyanC said:Ended at 365K - a veritable bargain compare to the 551K example a couple months ago.
just goes to demonstrate that the difference in top color, flame, and weight equals real money ................
On an internet auction...No. IRL yes.
It shows that the 550 was a one off and that the sucker paid 550 has lost 200.
Obviously it is not very reasonable that a Tokai is more expensive than a 10 years older Gibson.
There are perhaps 2-3 people in the world prepared to pay those amounts for a Tokai and it is just not enough to keep the prices up.
But there are a billion zillion people prepared to pay that for a Gibson.
Gibson is always a safer bet for the invester.
MIJvintage said:Koubayashi said:MIJvintage said:RyanC said:Ended at 365K - a veritable bargain compare to the 551K example a couple months ago.
just goes to demonstrate that the difference in top color, flame, and weight equals real money ................
On an internet auction...No. IRL yes.
It shows that the 550 was a one off and that the sucker paid 550 has lost 200.
Obviously it is not very reasonable that a Tokai is more expensive than a 10 years older Gibson.
There are perhaps 2-3 people in the world prepared to pay those amounts for a Tokai and it is just not enough to keep the prices up.
But there are a billion zillion people prepared to pay that for a Gibson.
Gibson is always a safer bet for the invester.
an internet auction site is real life tho' :wink:
there were quite a few people bidding on that guitar, and a few were more than willing to pay well over $5K for it, as demonstrated by the bidding.
It ended at over $6K, and a TF member was the winning bidder; Ed I believe.
I wouldn't consider the winning bidder a "sucker" at all but rather I would consider him the owner of a very rare guitar, that several others also wanted very badly
There are a billion zillion people out there with a Gibson, and the Gibsons may be a better investment but not everyone that pays big bucks for a guitar is looking at their purchase as an investment.
There is that one person out there that had the long veiw, and he now has a very rare Tokai LS-200, and that is very different guitar than those other billion zillion Gibsons.
How f-ing cool is that? 8)
Personally, I would rather have the rare Tokai that Ed purchased, than a Gibson R8, R9, or R0, even if the Gibson cost less money :wink:
Koubayashi said:MIJvintage said:Koubayashi said:MIJvintage said:RyanC said:Ended at 365K - a veritable bargain compare to the 551K example a couple months ago.
just goes to demonstrate that the difference in top color, flame, and weight equals real money ................
On an internet auction...No. IRL yes.
It shows that the 550 was a one off and that the sucker paid 550 has lost 200.
Obviously it is not very reasonable that a Tokai is more expensive than a 10 years older Gibson.
There are perhaps 2-3 people in the world prepared to pay those amounts for a Tokai and it is just not enough to keep the prices up.
But there are a billion zillion people prepared to pay that for a Gibson.
Gibson is always a safer bet for the invester.
an internet auction site is real life tho' :wink:
there were quite a few people bidding on that guitar, and a few were more than willing to pay well over $5K for it, as demonstrated by the bidding.
It ended at over $6K, and a TF member was the winning bidder; Ed I believe.
I wouldn't consider the winning bidder a "sucker" at all but rather I would consider him the owner of a very rare guitar, that several others also wanted very badly
There are a billion zillion people out there with a Gibson, and the Gibsons may be a better investment but not everyone that pays big bucks for a guitar is looking at their purchase as an investment.
There is that one person out there that had the long veiw, and he now has a very rare Tokai LS-200, and that is very different guitar than those other billion zillion Gibsons.
How f-ing cool is that? 8)
Personally, I would rather have the rare Tokai that Ed purchased, than a Gibson R8, R9, or R0, even if the Gibson cost less money :wink:
Any normal person who buys an old guitar hopes for more than just a good player :wink: Don't underestimate human greed!
glaister3 said:So true!!!! In `Burstland the owners(And I know a few!)never talk about the sound of there guitars,only how much it`s worth/gained in value!I find that a little sad.
JVsearch said:glaister3 said:So true!!!! In `Burstland the owners(And I know a few!)never talk about the sound of there guitars,only how much it`s worth/gained in value!I find that a little sad.
Oh yeah, Wittrock and the Burst Bros are hard at work hyping their way to the first million dollar burst!
I have to be honest, if the R0 was cheaper than the LS and I could play it first I would probably buy that over an unknown old guitar, but if I could audition both of them side by side I'd take the one I liked best... which could be one or the other, you just don't know until you play them.
I risked about $1000 on a 2 year old Momose Strat, that's about as risky as I get at my current wealth level.
RyanC said:Ended at 365K - a veritable bargain compare to the 551K example a couple months ago.
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