Chinese Tokais
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I never had one but talked to a dealer last week and was really surprised to hear that in China or Korea not one Tokai factory exist (what I believed before).What we have in China are big factorys building guitars with every name you want on the headstock.Tokai is not the only brand ordering guitars from there,all the big brands selling low priced made in China guitars do the same.And I believed before the guitar builders there are trained by Tokai luthiers... 
But from what I've heard regarding the quality they must be good guitars for the money.
But from what I've heard regarding the quality they must be good guitars for the money.
japaxes
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jacco
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Messer, you're a modern Don Quichote
DaveWW
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A bit OT I know but chinese guitars are getting better and better. As I think was recommended by Gabe at our last convention I recently got a second hand Guild GAD-F40 acoustic. The quality and appearance are great and most importantly it's the nicest sounding acoustic I've ever had. Fantastic value for money!
Cant't remember if my Eastwood Airline Tuxedo was Chinese or Korean but that too was a pretty good guitar for the money.
Dave
Cant't remember if my Eastwood Airline Tuxedo was Chinese or Korean but that too was a pretty good guitar for the money.
Dave
marcusnieman
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DaveWW said:
If I recall, they are Korean.... I have two Tuxedos and they are great guitars. I also have an Eastwood H44 (2 pickups) I use for slide.
Still love this demo (never mind the joint.... hehe...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnutK1HhY9E
@jacco:
That was a joke... or maybe not
But I seriously wonder how well they are made.
I am a costumer, not a seller or some Tokai fanatic. I currently own black 2008 LS-80 and I might consider buying another Les Paul with violin/iced tea finish in a near future.
At the moment, this inlay filler thing and messy finish in a cutaway prevent me from choosing Tokai.
What's the point, if for similiar cash used Burnys and older Tokais deliver better finish, and who knows, maybe even a better tone with VH-1?
So from my point of view, bitching about this issues on the main Tokai forum is just a natural costumer reaction/feedback.
Diamond, as a seller asked in a topic related to inlays about a standard to wchich we compare Tokai.
So I want to determine how well Chinese Tokai manufacterers deal with inlays.
That was a joke... or maybe not
But I seriously wonder how well they are made.
I am a costumer, not a seller or some Tokai fanatic. I currently own black 2008 LS-80 and I might consider buying another Les Paul with violin/iced tea finish in a near future.
At the moment, this inlay filler thing and messy finish in a cutaway prevent me from choosing Tokai.
What's the point, if for similiar cash used Burnys and older Tokais deliver better finish, and who knows, maybe even a better tone with VH-1?
So from my point of view, bitching about this issues on the main Tokai forum is just a natural costumer reaction/feedback.
Diamond, as a seller asked in a topic related to inlays about a standard to wchich we compare Tokai.
So I want to determine how well Chinese Tokai manufacterers deal with inlays.
jacco
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Which VH-1? There are 4 types..
japaxes
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JohnA
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DaveWW said:
+1 the Chinese Burnys are amazing, I was trying an amp in town and the guy handed me a 'Les Paul' after 10 mins I thought 'these new Gibsons are really nice, don't know why they get slated' then I looked at the headstock!! for 400 quid thay are a steal, better IMO than the Chinese Tokais, but they are quite a bit more expensive.
jacco
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That's exactly my experience too!
singemonkey
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What's the story with the cutaway finish now? Is this the absurd allegation I heard a while ago that "you can see a strip on maple" under the binding that's different in colour to the mahogany.
If it's that, then you'd be forced to turn down sunburst LPs made from 1958 to 1960 too. Although many are able to overlook that flaw and they still go for good prices from what I've heard.
Apart from that glaring error, the finish in the cutaway of my Tokai is absolutely perfect.
If it's that, then you'd be forced to turn down sunburst LPs made from 1958 to 1960 too. Although many are able to overlook that flaw and they still go for good prices from what I've heard.
Apart from that glaring error, the finish in the cutaway of my Tokai is absolutely perfect.
singemonkey said:
I had a guy phone me to complain after he bought an LS95S Gold Top.
He spent 10 minutes screaming at me about Tokais sloppy finish, when I finally managed to ask him WTF he was talking about he explained to me that if you look at the bottom cutaway you see a strip of a "different" coloured wood between the binding and the body...he couldn't believe how sloppy that was, he thought Tokais were meant to be high quality guitars.
When I see him in music stores these days he runs and hides, but I find him and make him admit to me that he's a doos.
jacco
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So it's black or white time again eh?
felixcatus
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singemonkey said:
It?s not about the maple top that?s visible in the cutaway. I think Messer is talking about the white binding that is not uniform(wavy/rugged) and/or overspray. He?s got a point, if his objective is cosmetic perfection. To me those small cosmetic flaws are not important as long as it doesn?t affect the playability. For instance, my LS95S has overspray and rugged binding my LS80 not. Funnily enough, the one with ?bad? binding(LS95S) was perfectly playable when I bought it, the one with ?good? binding(LS80) not. So if I had to choose between these two, I would go for the one with the ?bad? binding.
singemonkey
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Huh. Haven't seen that myself.
felixcatus
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singemonkey said:
That doesn?t surprise me. If it hadn?t come up in a few threads, I also wouldn?t have noticed it. It?s very minimal, you really have to focus on it.
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