Tokai LP production numbers further demystified

[jacco]

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all the info at the end of the thread

 

[JohnA]

2013439 1982 LS120

 

[jacco]

Thanks John, that's Marks now eh?

 

[JohnA]

Thanks John, that's Marks now eh?

It is, nice guitar, solid top too! The sale eased the overdraft a bit

 

[Freebird]

My 1980 Reborn Old LS-80 is serial number 0009575

 

[jacco]

Thanks Freebird, that was a very important one!

 

[jacco]

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all the info at the end of the thread

 

[Cali Girl]

By "Reborn" you mean "Les Paul Reborn"? It's a bit confusing with Reborn Old in the mix.

 

[jacco]

Yes, thanks, will change that.

PS didn't you have some 1978/79 LPs if I remember well?

 

[Cali Girl]

1980 Les Paul Reborn 0007101

 

[jacco]

Thanks, I can say with some certainty it was produced in february 1980.

 

[wishbonz]

Good work Jacco!

 

[jacco]

Thanks Glen. Any chance getting some serial numbers from your 1981 beauties?

 

[Cali Girl]

What about other set neck guitars made around this time like LC series, TFV and TEX (V and Explorer). They are much rarer than sunburst Les Paul styles but are they included in the same serial scheme?

 

[jacco]

LCs yes, the others seem to use a different serialisation, at least in 1983-1985 I'm sure they do.

 

[Reborn Old]

Good idea Jacco !

I am concerned with other Tokai models using the same 7 digit serialization and that LS quantities might be considerably lower as a result.
The registry shows some LC's, Springy Sounds, Breezy Sounds,
Silver Stars, Explorers, ES335's and SG's using 7 digit serials within the LS ranges posted above.
I doubt Tokai would use duplicate serial numbers for each model.
Tokai seems to do a run of teles, then a run of LP's then SG's as required, in no particular order. It is also hard to find consecutive LP serial numbers, I have seen consecutive # pairs only twice over the years.

Are you certain the #6 in #0011064, your last 1980 Love Rock number is correct Jacco? I don't show any 1980 -1981 Love Rock ser # sequence overlaps and if the 6 is a 4 or less that would still hold true. Exceptions are always possible I guess. The only other sequence overlap of the last 5 digits I'm aware of, is between the end of 1981 and the beginning of 1982. The last 1981 I have documented is 1981 #15193 and the 1st 1982 is #10974. The last 1982 # I have on file is either 12111 or possibly 12771. The middle 1's or 7's are blurry.
Last 5 numbers of LP serial numbers are again in sequence from 1982 thru 1985

 

[Reborn Old]

It would also be interesting to find a 1977 range or even a 1977 LP
example. The earliest I have found was 1978 # 00107 and the 1st Tokai custom shop LP which does have Les Paul on the headstock without a "reborn" label below. Both have 2 pc necks of course.

 

[spikeymikey]

Fantastic work Jacco!!

My LS80 Reborn from 1979 is numbered 9002829

 

[jacco]

It would also be interesting to find a 1977 range or even a 1977 LP
example. The earliest I have found was 1978 # 00107 and the 1st Tokai custom shop LP which does have Les Paul on the headstock without a "reborn" label below. Both have 2 pc necks of course.

Yes, it would interesting indeed to find a 1977 model. The only mention of it and no pics are on Gottfried?s website: they would have launched LS50, 60, 80, 100 and LC100. If so there will be only very few for the earliest 1978 model I have found is 8000101 and it?s from the 1978 Tokai catalog
With visible 2P neck indeed. About these 2P necks: I have found these as a rule up the 600s, in between 700s and 1200s you can find both 1P and 2P regardless of model. I have seen a 8001214 LS100 with 2P neck.

I have received A LOT of info the past day and need some time to absorb it. With this came a 1979 9000202 serial LS60 with 2P neck. Any thoughts?
Leftover and returned Burny? I found a lot of Burny?s having 200 serials, including my former GT.

 

[muccax]

hi
i know this is of topic ,,,,, but i have asked about tokai st from 1977 ...
and no one have ever seen one ?,,,, i own a 1978 serial 8000323 with the small neck plate ,,, but never seen a 1977 ,,, maybe they did start production in 1977
but they were not ready to sell before 1978
all the best
otto