TOKAI Breezysound - 1983? Not sure

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Nalewa1 said:
Also I saw someone else guitar and pot looks simillar - 1 looks broken and other one is soldered:


Yep. Probably doing a similar fix trying to fix the tone like I mentioned re: the 1M ohm pots.

The lug on the other one is just bent to get it out of the way.

You can be sure that a pot didn't leave the factory with a broken lug and de-soldered joint.
 
lawtone said:
novosel,

.... I have 5 old stock Tokais, 79'-82' that had the wrong pots. As guitarboy said it is likely a supplier error, but my guess is there are a lot of early Tokais out there with wrong pots. That's why I posted. Ironically, that's probably why I got the guitars I did. A breezy sound tele with a 1 Meg pot sounds dreadful. Sounds stupendous now.

In my opinion pots do affect tone significantly. To illustrate, set your amp clean, set guitar volume on 10, turn pot down a few notches and listen and you will hear the high end disappear. The only factor changed is that as you turn the pot down, you lessen resistance to ground. Lower resistance = less high end and gain. So if your pot doesn't have as much resistance as it should, your losing high end even with the guitar on full. I'ts as if your guitar volume only goes up to five. Conversely, higher resistance =more high end and gain. That's the Breezy sound story. The difference pots make isn't as noticeable as going from a 5.8k vintage pickup to a 12k overwound one, but it is significant.

I've measured many vintage Fender pots and all were significantly less than 250K. This undoubtedly, along with many other factors, contributes to vintage tone. The effect of pot values is more apparent on single coil pickups as they are more nuanced and subtle.

http://www.tokaiforum.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=2671
 
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lawtone said:
If your Breezysound pots have markings that say D1M, or 1Meg you might consider changing them to 250K. If you can't tell from the markings you can buy/borrow an ohm meter and put one lead on the center lug and the other on either outside lug and turn the pot until you get the highest reading. That's the pot's value. Pots are sometimes way off spec. The one meg pots in my Breezysound for instance measured between 800K and 979K.

Regarding this site, I say hats off, kudos, etc, etc, to whomever is responsible for this site. Great service for fans of Tokais I am a pro player who has used Tokais for years. I use them because they feel great, sound great, period. I have 54' 57' 59' 62' original Fender Strats. 57' 58' original Pauls, 65' 67' original Teles. I have found Tokais to consistently sound as good as real vintage instruments. So as a player I don't think of Tokais as copies at all, just great guitars. The best sounding Les Paul I have ever played on stage is a lowly LS50 Les Paul Reborn. Three piece top, three piece back.

http://www.tokaiforum.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=2608
 
Nalewa1 said:
I think neck is U shape. It is quite thin, definielly not V.

Tokai had a hybrid shape called a "soft V" neck for a while.

U would feel thick. I would not describe it as thin.

V has almost like a flat spot in the shape of the sides.

U is a constant curve.


Soft V Shape

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U Shape

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I am starting to think that your body is for a TE80 because of the letter "Y" in the body code.

A lacquer test would confirm that if you can't see a center seam through the paint.

And if your neck is a soft V, then it too was for an ST80. If it is a U, then who knows?
 
Interesting. It is U neck for sure. Maybe I just got used to thicker necks.

Yes, I will probably replace pots ro 250k as the old one seems to be quite weared
Pickups - thinkig of changing the bridge one and keep the neck
Tuners - seems ok but are very loose and oll the parts are wobly and sometimes falling in to resonance maybe will chenge them as well
 
I would start with the pots. Might change how you feel about the pickups?

Switch to 250k ohm.

The bridge one was the TEB and I think is probably hotter than an TEA, which is what the neck pickup is.

So 1M ohm pots and the TEB in the bridge is probably a bit intense/shrill?

And those should be good tuners, Kluson style.

If you change them, I would not drill new holes as that will decrease the value of the guitar as a vintage instrument and keep the originals in the case. :wink:
 
ampmaker said:
Bump to say that these Tokai tuners are now on Ebay, with best offer. Any TokReg-forumite who wants to go there and submit an offer of £35 gets them. I'll reduce the price for everyone to £35 later this week.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134125399871

Are these the same as for a Breezy? Might ask him?

http://www.tokaiforum.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=3&p=198215
 
Should be. If you read through that link, Tokai finishes were a little bit different.

If you try it again, and see no change, then I am comfortable calling it a TE50 body.
 
Yes, nothing happened to laquer so it looks like TE50.

I also measured the neck and seems to be 54mm. U shape. Quite interesting thing what you said about neck and body from different guitars, and this "MB" on the body :D

If there is such a mistake, maybe it is possible that it was assembled from different parts? I mean mounted guitar lets say in 82 and using body from 81 (leftovers from the warehouse).

I know it is not increasing value of guitar but it sounds fantastic. It have alder body - sounds very loud and have quick atack, very easy to play.
Will do some more photos when I put all the things together.
 
Cool. Who knows what the background on this guitar is? That was a crazy time at Tokai.

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25979&hilit=lawsuit

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26410

And the most important thing from a player's standpoint is that it plays well. And all the parts are from the Golden Era at Tokai, so all good stuff.

I started a thread on the block logo Tokais. They are pretty interesting and I think will become more valuable as time goes along.

Here is that thread:

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26253&hilit=block+logo+gallery
 
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