New gear month (includes Gibson LP 50s tribute) - pics heavy

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AlanN

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At first I was like,
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And then I was like,
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But then I was like...
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And today I'm like...
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Better colour representation (still artificial lights, mind):

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All in a month!! that's just greedy :wink:

looks great, will be interesting to hear is it plays and sounds just as good!
 
2005 Tokai LSS100 SEB
2009 Fender Baja Classic Player Tele
2007 Rickenbacker 620
2010 Gibson Les Paul 50s Tribute

Ok then, the Gibson review! Please bear in mind that Finbarr Saunders would have a field day with this, and I've mentally inserted my own "fnarrs", "hyucks" and "ooer missuses" as I've been typing it so you don't have to point out the double entendres. They're only single entendres in my mind anyway. Woof woof *beats head with shoe*.

Opening the big brown box left me a bit nonplussed - the gigbag they send with these things is shockingly poor; barely enough zip length to let you get the thing out, and the inside seems to be waterproof - a nice idea, but it feels like incontinence sheeting or nappies or something, which left me feeling a little bit repulsed for some reason.

Anyway, after a bit of a struggle I had it free and examined it closely. The first thing that struck me was the weight; chambered or not, it's still a fairly weighty guitar, and definitely heavier than my LSS100 (though nowhere near the 1980 LS80).

Contrary to the wee card that Gibson quality control have slipped into the bag pocket, the setup wasn't great - a few rattles here and there, but I reckon this'll be down to my shovel hands battling against the 9s it's strung with; I'll put some man strings(tm) on it later.

The good news is that although it'd been to plek hell, it had survived the ordeal relatively intact, with nice round fret profiles (as opposed to the rather sadistic trapezoid profiles my custom shop 339 has). The neck was set almost dead straight, so I dropped the action a fair bit and didn't introduce any new buzzing, which reassured me that it was most likely the string tension than the setup itself.

The satin finish is hit and miss for me. It's sort-of-matt, sort-of-not, and has had me frowning at it more than once. It's not 100% flawless either - there's a tiny bubble on the very bottom edge of the top, but I'm being slightly unfair by even mentioning it here. The faux-binding on the body is well executed, though I had to refer to the stock pics for assurance that the wear isn't supposed to be even; indeed, it's supposed to look slightly played (rather than reliced) so on the leg cutout and over the main part of the upper body there are two patches of light wear. You can see the "arm" wear on the big picture above; It's pretty subtle to be honest so doesn't bother me at all. The neck and back are very lightly coloured and finished; this looks a little anaemic to me, but I only really like darkbacks.

I can't fault the construction. Two piece solid maple cap over a two piece (yes, Diamond, two piece ;)) mahogany back - the join runs through the control cavity, you can probably see it on the image of the back. Two wings on the headstock edges as usual, but a single piece mahogany neck. The control cavity cover is clear (still a weird choice for me... wondering when people will start filling them with LEDs to show off the contents like a modded PC!) and exposes "proper" pots and caps. The neck inlays - yes, I know you've all been waiting for this - show no sign of filler whatsoever.

Resonance-wise, it's pretty zingy when played acoustically, with a strong vibration when playing an open E and touching the top of the headstock - usually a good sign for me. The attack is slightly toppier than on a standard LP (even a chambered one), which is strange as the maple cap looks to be thinner than on a standard. Still, notes bloom and sustain well all over the neck with no discernible dead spots, which is another plus.

Phew! I need a coffee, so I'll be back in a bit to do the amplified sound bit.
 
Very nice Alan :D It looks like I need one more guitar..

Are those p90s same pickups they use in R6?
 
karppi said:
Very nice Alan :D It looks like I need one more guitar..

Are those p90s same pickups they use in R6?

I'm pretty sure the R4 and R6 were standard Gibson USA P90s, like these. I'll whip them out for cavity photos and check them against any R4/R6 pics I can see, but I don't think Gibson have ever changed their P90s very much (excepting the P100/P94s).
 
Ok, part two. Apologies for most of this sounding a little over the top, but if I wasn't already married I could marry a P90 and have little P90 babies with them. THEY'RE THAT SEXY. I'll try to stay on topic and talk about them in terms of this guitar and these pickups in particular, but forgive me if I wander.

The neck finish is pretty nice - I didn't know what to make of it at first; I've had all kinds of finishes on guitars from thick poly, thin nitro, oil, and plain unfinished maple, but this is a new one to me. The thinnest nitro I've ever felt (even thinner than the worn Les Paul DCs they brought out a while back); you can feel the grain if you slowly move your nail around the neck. It's pretty slinky. The neck profile is very much 60s - sorry Marcus! - which suits me as I'm instantly at home with it. More Les Paul Special than Les Paul Standard; chunky enough (Fender players, think "fat C") even for me, and I have pretty big hands. The rosewood board is a decent slab of wood, if a tad on the dry looking side. Frets are absolutely spot on, though there's some evidence of filler at the bottom of each slot under the tang. Can't remember if my last standard had the same. Anyone?

The P90s are the only real ones that Gibson USA still make. They're articulate, clear and honky - all good things in my book. The familiar hum of them picking up any and every electrical signal in three miles of the house is present and reassuring - I can't state enough how much I hate those lifeless P100s. Clean, My old Studio Gem from the 90s had the same pickups in it, and was the reason for my love of P90s in the first place, so I have to be careful not to let nostalgia colour my opinion here, as they're exactly as I remember them!

Having been through the gamut of boutique P90s more or less (Fralin, Lollars, BKPs etc - have't tried Wolfetone yet though), I think these are a tiny bit brittle; very cutting, still warm, but leaning slightly towards the sound of a strat single coil to my ears. The difference between the neck and bridge sounds is very wide, and I've come to appreciate something a bit closer since I've been gigging again. Just to explain - my signal chain tends to be guitar -> amp dirty channel, with my cleans and crunches coming from guitar volume and tone fiddling; I do like my neck and bridge pickups to sound different, but these are black and white when I like light and dark grey (if that makes any sense at all, you're as mad as I am. Wibble!).

Into a flat EQ'd clean amp, the bridge pickup does very well - chimey and clear, it really shows off the essence of the guitar. A tad too much treble for me, like I say - this is partly the sound of the guitar, and partly the sound of the pickup; the Studio Gem I mentioned earlier sounded very dark acoustically, yet had the same character when amplified.

The neck pickup on the other hand is pure class. Warm and so, so sweet; this i s the sound that I dreamt about for years after selling my Studio Gem. Hard not to get misty-eyed at this! I think I'll need to come back to trying to criticise this at a later date, as I just can't fault it at present.

In the middle position, both pickups compliment each other very well, even with the wide tonal differences between them; the bottom end of the neck is lost slightly, but the cutting attack of the bridge doesn't overwhelm as it often does when two widely separated single coils are combined.

Piling on that little bit of dirt puts you firmly into P90 heaven. Smack the guitar and you'll get distortion; gently pluck and it's chimey clean tones, all without touching a volume control. Think Jeff Buckley with a bit more balls and you're there. Again, the neck pickup shines over the bridge one, which sounds like it's playing second fiddle.

Go into overdrive and the bridge pickup starts to catch up, instantly inspiring me to thrash out some Vapors, The Jam and The Who. The neck pickup now screams sad serrated blues at you until you cry like a baby and start shooting women.

Full on distortion isn't really where P90s are meant to be taken, as noise becomes a massive factor, but I've never let that stop me yet. Here the bridge pickup puts me in mind of Dave Mustaine's hot strat sound, especially with the snappy attack on this guitar. The neck is now pure sustain mode, and knocking the tone down to 5 really makes the thing sing.

Right then, a conclusion is needed! I wasn't sure about it when it first arrived - I'll have to get used to the matt/gloss hybrid finish - but it's definitely not going back now. Not sure what to do with the bridge pickup yet; it's useful at high gain, but I may replace it with something slightly warmer (a good excuse to get a wolfetone, eh). Any questions happily answered, and if someone would like some recordings then just let me know what you want to hear.
 
Great write-up Alan, know what you mean about nostalgia, you've got me hankering for something with P-90's, my old LP Special (Gibson) used to be my main guitar, sold it a few years ago, and never found anything as good to replace it!

As for recordings, anything clean would be great to hear!
 
I now have three guitars with P90s, and two with P94s; and I'm thinking of adding them to Toffee too. It's a disease, I tell you...
 
AlanN said:
I now have three guitars with P90s, and two with P94s; and I'm thinking of adding them to Toffee too. It's a disease, I tell you...

I did have some Alchemists in my goldtop, but they didn't totally do it for me!
 
Yeah, irongears humbuckers are good but I didn't get on with the socialised either. I like the gibbo p94s though.

Edit: socialised?! Stupid iPhone correction - should have been alchemists!
 
Great write up Alan, very GAS inducing. We all really appreciate the effort. I tried a 200W Orange Thunderveb last week. Sounded brillant but scared (not used to playing that loud) me to death.:lol:

I'm fairly new to P90s and haven't tried enough for long enough to make worthwhile comparrisons so it'll be interesting to see how you think it stacks up to the P90s in my Bacchus GT and give it a go at the convention :D

Sounds like Gibson have produced a nice good bang for buck guitar that looks cool too at long last.


Dave
 
No worries Dave, I'll bring a few guitars with different kinds in them for you to see (including the 50s tribute I guess!).

Minor correction to the above to make - in the light of day I can see it's a 3-piece back. Very nice join in the centre, though; it was invisible in artificial light last night (granted I'd had a little to drink!).
 
They're popping up on youtube now:

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Just an update after a weekend with it: It's being returned as I can't mentally balance up what they cost versus how they feel. They feel like they should be ?400-500 at the very most. And though I still love the sound of them, I doubt very much that I could ever grow to love how they feel. Big disappointment for me.
 
AlanN said:
Just an update after a weekend with it: It's being returned as I can't mentally balance up what they cost versus how they feel. They feel like they should be ?400-500 at the very most. And though I still love the sound of them, I doubt very much that I could ever grow to love how they feel. Big disappointment for me.

I can already see the pools of tears and hear the loud wailing from Diamond as he reads the above. :lol:

That is a shame. What is it about the guitar that seems cheaper than the sticker price indicates?
 

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