leadguitar_323
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Hahahaha..... :wink:
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villager said:
I'm sorry to say VILLAGER, you are so wrong about the DRY-Z. There are indeed 2 versions/types of the DRY-Z (labeled Z). The 7k resistance range ones and the 8k resistance range ones. They are very very different (tone, response) from each other. Only one has/give the signature sound/tone the DRY-Z is known for.
villager
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well we will disagree then i am afraid...
show me some proof please....
the way they were wound I would expect different readings from every pickup,
show my a DRY-Z in any GRECO litrature in anything other than a top end Guitar and I will change my opinion...
until then theres one DRY-Z in all the greco catalogues I have sen from 1980/81 this was retailing at 20000 yen
I dont see a cheaper version anywhere I am sorry..
show me some proof please....
the way they were wound I would expect different readings from every pickup,
show my a DRY-Z in any GRECO litrature in anything other than a top end Guitar and I will change my opinion...
until then theres one DRY-Z in all the greco catalogues I have sen from 1980/81 this was retailing at 20000 yen
I dont see a cheaper version anywhere I am sorry..
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I have 18 individual DRY-Z pickups in all,and have just measured the resistance of all of them.
10 of them are in the original greco EGF-1800 or 1200
the 10 in the original guitars with original soldering all read between 7.56 and 8.09k
the other 8 are also within this range..
so out of 18 DRY-Z pickups, all are within the 7.56k-8.09k range..
i hear no difference between these PU's at all, they all sound like DRY-Z
10 of them are in the original greco EGF-1800 or 1200
the 10 in the original guitars with original soldering all read between 7.56 and 8.09k
the other 8 are also within this range..
so out of 18 DRY-Z pickups, all are within the 7.56k-8.09k range..
i hear no difference between these PU's at all, they all sound like DRY-Z
CliffsGuitarWorld
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I own these and Hmguitars was right on with the ohms.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160221379598&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D160221379598%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1
Removed from 1980's Greco Les Paul type guitar.
It leads approx 7.57K ohm(Neck), The length of the wire is approx 28.5cm.
It leads approx 8.05K ohm(bridge), The length of the wire is approx 25.5cm.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160221379598&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D160221379598%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1
Removed from 1980's Greco Les Paul type guitar.
It leads approx 7.57K ohm(Neck), The length of the wire is approx 28.5cm.
It leads approx 8.05K ohm(bridge), The length of the wire is approx 25.5cm.
leadguitar_323
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Has anyone measured the dry 1982's, the reason i ask is i saw a set of ink stamped dry z's with original dry 1982 stickers on them as well. If i can find the link i'll post pics.. :wink:
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Villager you own 18 Dry Z PU's? I think Maybe you are the coolest guy I know. Where do you live? LOL.. Do you have any recordings of these PU's I could hear please? How much do you love having these Jap guitars that smoke Gibsons in most cases for a fraction of the price? How cool are we? Vey cool. Since I'm new to this I am feeling very cool right now. I was a Fernandes endorser in the late 80's so I'm hip to this whole thing and I own more yamaha Fg acoustics then I can count but the Greco's I'm new to and thrilled I'm here. I friken LOVE MIJ guitars. I'm tempted to fly over there just to buy about 10 or 20. Just had a kid though so not gonna happen. Anyway. I want to hear the Dry Z is my point.
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so Mitch...you happen to have any of the Yamaha Dynamics that predated the FGs? I have a bunch of em and man they are great little guitars.
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I have never heard of them. Acoustics? I only know of the FG's cause my friend had one in High School and I never forgot that guitar so I looked them up on line last year and started buying them on ebay. I have too many and have 4 for sale. A 300 is in that batch.
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http://www.geocities.jp/mmasmcb/kyoku/original.html
http://www.geocities.jp/mmasmcb/catalog.html
http://www.geocities.jp/mmasmcb/catalog.html
villager
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lots of recordings with the dry Z's ...and yes i love the old MIJ, I have had over 100 historics, and now I have 1 left...and I have many MIJ which i prefer to that one..
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I've been to France only one time. There is always talk of going there on tour. If I do I would love to see and hear your favorite Greco. >
I'm going to Euope in Oct for a tour but not sure if France is in the cards. I' bringing my wife and baby and we are going to England for a show and to Italy for vacation and maybe a show. Spain is possible too but not sure about France. I LOVE France though.
I'm going to Euope in Oct for a tour but not sure if France is in the cards. I' bringing my wife and baby and we are going to England for a show and to Italy for vacation and maybe a show. Spain is possible too but not sure about France. I LOVE France though.MIJconvert
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I think what mick (leadguitar) was talking about was this:
http://www.japanvintageguitars.com/images/large/Greco 59-100.jpg
Interesting eh? [/url]
http://www.japanvintageguitars.com/images/large/Greco 59-100.jpg
Interesting eh? [/url]
leadguitar_323
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Hi mate ....yeah thats the one i was telling you about....they were in a mint collection 59-100 if my memory serves me well....
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villager
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i think they just put the stickers on remaining stock dry-Z for a while...
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Fujigen started making their own pickups in 1981. http://www.daeschler.com/articles/fujigen/
The Maxon pickups with the stamped serial numbers stop around this time, 1981/1982.
In the 70s and early 80s, Hoshino Gakki used Maxon pickups for Ibanez's and Kanda Shokai used Maxon pickups for Grecos. Hoshino Gakki and Kanda Shokai cooperated on many models like the Destroyer, Iceman, Artist etc.
Jim Donahue from Ibanez says that Hoshino Gakki used Maxon, Fujigen and Gotoh for pickups and Kanda Shokai would have done a similar thing so my money is on the Greco pickups from 1982 being made by Fujigen and not Maxon. In the pickup image Fujigen probably put their own Dry 1982 sticker on a Maxon Dry Z pickup.
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 11:09 pm:
The manufacture has changed, The winding machines have changed and also the materials probably like the wax, Plate maker and some other components have changed.
They are would the exact same with the same construction and teh same magnet and wire. Older pickups loose strength (Gause) because the magnets over time weeken. Also wax Crumbles.
So the answer is they are teh same spec but made by a different pickup maker, Ibanez used Maxxon, Gotoh and also Fuji-Gen wound pickups for them.
If you listen to say a Korean Super 58 in a AS120, You will hear that although it is made to the same spec it is not even close to the Japanese made ones.
Ibanez will proboably switch to all Korean made pickups soon because the price in Japan is so high.
Jim
The Maxon pickups with the stamped serial numbers stop around this time, 1981/1982.
In the 70s and early 80s, Hoshino Gakki used Maxon pickups for Ibanez's and Kanda Shokai used Maxon pickups for Grecos. Hoshino Gakki and Kanda Shokai cooperated on many models like the Destroyer, Iceman, Artist etc.
Jim Donahue from Ibanez says that Hoshino Gakki used Maxon, Fujigen and Gotoh for pickups and Kanda Shokai would have done a similar thing so my money is on the Greco pickups from 1982 being made by Fujigen and not Maxon. In the pickup image Fujigen probably put their own Dry 1982 sticker on a Maxon Dry Z pickup.
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 11:09 pm:
The manufacture has changed, The winding machines have changed and also the materials probably like the wax, Plate maker and some other components have changed.
They are would the exact same with the same construction and teh same magnet and wire. Older pickups loose strength (Gause) because the magnets over time weeken. Also wax Crumbles.
So the answer is they are teh same spec but made by a different pickup maker, Ibanez used Maxxon, Gotoh and also Fuji-Gen wound pickups for them.
If you listen to say a Korean Super 58 in a AS120, You will hear that although it is made to the same spec it is not even close to the Japanese made ones.
Ibanez will proboably switch to all Korean made pickups soon because the price in Japan is so high.
Jim
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Check these 1970s Grecos out. They have Ibanez "Super 70" pickups made by Maxon installed instead of U-4000 pickups. http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~shake/greco/MyGreco/eg1350/eg1350_2.html
http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~shake/greco/MyGreco/eg1200/eg1200_3.html
I'd say Fujigen ran out of U-4000 pickups and installed "Super 70" pickups instead.
http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~shake/greco/MyGreco/eg1200/eg1200_3.html
I'd say Fujigen ran out of U-4000 pickups and installed "Super 70" pickups instead.
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Those MIJ guitars, it's total anarchy! :-?
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I still want to hear a Greco with Dry Z's in it. Does anyone have anything on line I could hear?
Mitch Malloy said:
See my post on page 1 of this thread for DRY Z sound clip by a japanese player...
Still haven't got round to recording my Dry Zs yet, but there's some activity on the band front now so perhaps something soon.
I love em' .... they sound better in my EGF-1200 than they did in my (ex) SA-1200, really suits the LP well and gives the best LP tone I've ever heard. Jap pickups are much underrated, my SA-900 has U-series pups, and they are super tasty too - I wouldn't swap those for anything either (just had them dipped, now squeal free too).
