Manufactured Under License For... Fakais
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"Unauthorized" gold top Love Rock
"Make in Korea"
1 screw truss rod cover.
Export dimple.
Closed "a" in Tokai. Pronounced "k".
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203515276202?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050&nma=true&si=Nw7MKSrlokrhuoP%2B9vzO9P2ICoE%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
"Make in Korea" PRS style "Tokai".
1 screw truss rod cover.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tokai-Elec...2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
"Make in Korea"
1 screw truss rod cover.
Export dimple.
Closed "a" in Tokai. Pronounced "k".
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203515276202?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050&nma=true&si=Nw7MKSrlokrhuoP%2B9vzO9P2ICoE%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
"Make in Korea" PRS style "Tokai".
1 screw truss rod cover.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tokai-Elec...2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
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More unauthorized "Tokais"
http://tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12984&highlight=fakai&sid=c59fc009b997c3553f9043285a857efa
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12587&highlight=fakai
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12573&highlight=fakai
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12034&highlight=fakai
http://tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12984&highlight=fakai&sid=c59fc009b997c3553f9043285a857efa
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12587&highlight=fakai
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12573&highlight=fakai
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12034&highlight=fakai
More commentary on these "Tokais".
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12573&highlight=fakai
leadguitar_323 said:
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12573&highlight=fakai
"FAKAI" with "Make in Korea" sticker
1 screw truss rod cover.
Export dimple.
2004 Tokai Love Rock Gold Top > Guitars Electric Solid Body | Thunder Road Guitars
1 screw truss rod cover.
Export dimple.
2004 Tokai Love Rock Gold Top > Guitars Electric Solid Body | Thunder Road Guitars
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"FAKAI" with “Make in Korea” sticker
2004.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-g...2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
2004.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-g...2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
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mdvineng
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Dillons by the look of em.
mdvineng
Well-known member
Dillons by the look of em.
No idea on the 335 but doesn't look legit.
No idea on the 335 but doesn't look legit.
For reference re: Dillion unauthorized "Tokais"
http://www.tokaiforum.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=167294
Reborn Old said:
http://www.tokaiforum.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=167294
mdvineng, would you share what you know about Dillion guitars?
Were they actually made in Korea? China?
Looks like there were Dillion guitars of Canada and a separate line in the US?
Were they actually made in Korea? China?
Looks like there were Dillion guitars of Canada and a separate line in the US?
I found this on the Gear Page discussing Canadian vs. American Dillion guitars:
"And the previous poster who said that they are all made in the same factories is absolutely wrong. Both distributors are quick to tell you that the other guy's guitars are made who-knows-where but not where theirs are made. To reiterate -- these two outfits have no relationship other than they have a similar looking decal on the headstock. Plus they have both engaged in a very unprofessional public pissing match in the forums.
Bottom line for me is that the name "Dillion" is now contaminated beyond repair. There is no way to divine which of the 2 distributors is really at fault for that, but it hardly matters to the consumer. I'd steer clear of these things. Resale value is lousy, quality is a crap shoot, both distributors seem questionable, and there are other comparable import brands with far better reputation and support available."
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/dillion-guitars-usa-v-canadian.516502/page-3
"And the previous poster who said that they are all made in the same factories is absolutely wrong. Both distributors are quick to tell you that the other guy's guitars are made who-knows-where but not where theirs are made. To reiterate -- these two outfits have no relationship other than they have a similar looking decal on the headstock. Plus they have both engaged in a very unprofessional public pissing match in the forums.
Bottom line for me is that the name "Dillion" is now contaminated beyond repair. There is no way to divine which of the 2 distributors is really at fault for that, but it hardly matters to the consumer. I'd steer clear of these things. Resale value is lousy, quality is a crap shoot, both distributors seem questionable, and there are other comparable import brands with far better reputation and support available."
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/dillion-guitars-usa-v-canadian.516502/page-3
mdvineng
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As far as I can remember it was Dillon Canada that commissioned the Fakais from Korea and caused a legal issue with Tokai Japan, resulting in Dillon losing distribution rights etc.
See http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2604
Bit more https://www.guitarscanada.com/threads/my-canadian-fakai.32867/
See http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2604
Bit more https://www.guitarscanada.com/threads/my-canadian-fakai.32867/
Thanks! From the second link:
"The story behind these Fakais is that the Canadian distributor for Tokai, who lived in and around Waterdown Ontario, couldn't get MIK Tokais with the specs he wanted so he went to the factory that made the Canadian Dillions to build them for him,... and label them Tokai Love Rock. From 2003 to 2005 these guitars were imported and distributed to unknowing, reputable music stores and online dealers in Canada. I believe a few had even changes hands on this forum in the past. The thing is, these guitars are considered, much more often than not, better than the real MIK Tokais. Models emulating Les Pauls, the ES335, SGs, PRS standards, and the Rosewood Tele were made.
A Fakai can be identified from the headstock. MIK Tokais have three screw truss rod covers. Fakais have one screw. One back its says "Manufactured under license for Tokai Gakki Co., Ltd." Tokai never put this on the back. The serial # was 03XXXXX, 04XXXXX or 05XXXXX. This wasn't how Tokai numbered their guitars. The kicker was that it said "Make in Korea". Another difference with the Love Rocks was that the V/T pots were laid out like a PRS SC instead of a Les Paul (see my pic)"
https://www.guitarscanada.com/threads/my-canadian-fakai.32867/
"The story behind these Fakais is that the Canadian distributor for Tokai, who lived in and around Waterdown Ontario, couldn't get MIK Tokais with the specs he wanted so he went to the factory that made the Canadian Dillions to build them for him,... and label them Tokai Love Rock. From 2003 to 2005 these guitars were imported and distributed to unknowing, reputable music stores and online dealers in Canada. I believe a few had even changes hands on this forum in the past. The thing is, these guitars are considered, much more often than not, better than the real MIK Tokais. Models emulating Les Pauls, the ES335, SGs, PRS standards, and the Rosewood Tele were made.
A Fakai can be identified from the headstock. MIK Tokais have three screw truss rod covers. Fakais have one screw. One back its says "Manufactured under license for Tokai Gakki Co., Ltd." Tokai never put this on the back. The serial # was 03XXXXX, 04XXXXX or 05XXXXX. This wasn't how Tokai numbered their guitars. The kicker was that it said "Make in Korea". Another difference with the Love Rocks was that the V/T pots were laid out like a PRS SC instead of a Les Paul (see my pic)"
https://www.guitarscanada.com/threads/my-canadian-fakai.32867/
"After doing a little research, here is how it appears to break down:
- Possible miscommunication between distributor and Tokai Japan
- Possibility of public sour grapes coming from a third party who I can't name at this time, as well as, interference from another party
- A little misinformation released on tokairegistry
- A whole lot of misinterpretation, speculation and conjecture on the part of the tokairegistry "eckspurts"
The final outcome is that we got some really good guitars, while the denizens of the tokairegistry are screaming fraud by a fly by night distributor. For the record, the Canadian distributor has been in business for thirty years. It is highly doubtful that he would risk that by a short term run at making "counterfeit" Tokais."
https://www.guitarscanada.com/threads/my-canadian-fakai.32867/page-2
- Possible miscommunication between distributor and Tokai Japan
- Possibility of public sour grapes coming from a third party who I can't name at this time, as well as, interference from another party
- A little misinformation released on tokairegistry
- A whole lot of misinterpretation, speculation and conjecture on the part of the tokairegistry "eckspurts"
The final outcome is that we got some really good guitars, while the denizens of the tokairegistry are screaming fraud by a fly by night distributor. For the record, the Canadian distributor has been in business for thirty years. It is highly doubtful that he would risk that by a short term run at making "counterfeit" Tokais."
https://www.guitarscanada.com/threads/my-canadian-fakai.32867/page-2
mdvineng
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I read the whole thread and it's just like any other forum. Overall, came across a bit Nationalistic!
I've said before that some of the Korean factories can and do make some fantastic guitars. A lot just depends on the specifications requested by the commissioning company. Samick and Peerless, being two such factories.
It also confirms that you should judge a guitar by the feel and sound it makes rather than the headstock.
I've said before that some of the Korean factories can and do make some fantastic guitars. A lot just depends on the specifications requested by the commissioning company. Samick and Peerless, being two such factories.
It also confirms that you should judge a guitar by the feel and sound it makes rather than the headstock.
Hard to know what’s true. Also hard to know what a guitar sounds like without playing it.
But it does sound like that Canadian distributor got in trouble with Tokai for building guitars with their name on them without authorization and lost their distributorship? Would be interesting to see if that can be corroborated.
Also sounds like the Dillion name took a beating from the back and forth between the Canadian and American distributors.
But it does sound like that Canadian distributor got in trouble with Tokai for building guitars with their name on them without authorization and lost their distributorship? Would be interesting to see if that can be corroborated.
Also sounds like the Dillion name took a beating from the back and forth between the Canadian and American distributors.
