Tokai Neck and Body Codes

[Voidoid56]

My photo archive over what's passed through here is pretty disorganized and incomplete, but here's what I've got. The Ctrl or Pup entry is the stamp's position.

1983 SS-38OW 12=20OW Z Ctrl
1981 SS-70MRR 8=5 MR X Pup
1978 ST-42YS 10=11 YS Pup
1982 ST-50BB ?=4=BB Y(V?) Ctrl
1982 ST-50BB 10=5BB Z Ctrl
1982 ST-60MRR 9=8 MR Y Ctrl
1978 ST-60YS 10=9 YS Pup
1985 TJB-45MRR 9=12 MR Ctrl
1984 TPB-40OW 12=20OW V Pup
1983 TSS-40MR 1119M R X Ctrl
1983 TSS-40MRR 7=15MR Y Ctrl
1984 TST-36BBR (LE) 9=1 BB V Ctrl
1985 TST-50BB 8=9 BB V Ctrl
1981 VSB-60CSR 7=2 CS A Z Pup
1981 SS-45MBR 2=7MB Z Ctrl
1981 SS-55MB 11=6 MB X Pup
1978 ST-60YS 10=9 YS Pup
1987 TJB-45MRR (no pg) 4-2 MR X Ctrl
1982 SS-? All black 4=8 BB Z Ctrl
1984 TPB-40OW 2=2OW (?) Pup
1984 TSS-38OW 9=14OW V Ctrl
1987 TST-55SWR (Bradley) 5 17 SW X Ctrl
Unknown ST body 4=12BB Ctrl

 

[Sigmania]

Awesome! I will incorporate the ones with letter codes into this list. Thanks!

Let me know if you notice any rhyme or reason to the use of these letters.

 

[Sigmania]

Updated list of letter codes.

So far we have: A, H... L, M, N, O.. V, W, X, Y, Z


A:

1978 ST100N. Neck: Not known, Body: 4=4 N A, (SN 0000276)
1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)
1979 TE80 GS. Neck: 12=7 A, Body: 12=7 GS A (SN9005303)
1979 ST100 GS. Neck: 8=3&4 A, Body: 8=3=GS. (SN 9003909)
1979 TE80 GS. Neck: 12=7 A, Body: 12=7 GS A (SN 9005420)
1980 TE120R WR Neck: ?=15 A, Body: Not known (SN 0012035)
1980 ST80 GS. Neck: Not known, Body: 3=8 GS A (SN 0006409)
1980 ST100 N. Neck: 6=1 A, Body: 6=1 N A (SN 0000639)
1980 ST100R GS. Neck: 3=9 A, Body: 1=4 GS (SN 0000290)
1981 ST80R MR. Neck:Not known, Body: 4=1 MR A-X (SN 1013537)
1981 SS80 YS. Neck: Not known, Body:1=6 YS A Z (SN 1012478)
1981 ST85 MB. Neck: Not known, Body: 9=2 MB A
1981 VSB-60CSR 7=2 CS A Z Pup

H:

1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH W, Body: 5=12 MR X (Matching headstock block logo)

L:

1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)

M:

1983? ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1984? ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z (SN 12431) Ian's book

N:

1983? ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1984? ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z (SN 12431) Ian's book

O:

1984 TST60 SP. Neck: Not known, Body: SP Y 6-5 O (SN 21920) Purple Sparkle
1984 TST60 SR. Neck: Not known, Body: SR Y 6-5 O Red Sparkle

V:

1982 ST-50BB ?=4=BB Y(V?) Ctrl
1985? ST55 R LB. Neck: 7-1, Body: 7.1 LB V. Ian's book.
1984 ST55 FO. Neck: 10=1, Body: 11=4FO V. (SN18053)
1984 TPB-40OW 12=20OW V Pup
1984 TST-36BBR (LE) 9=1 BB V Ctrl
1984 TSS-38OW 9=14OW V Ctrl
1984 ST40 R OW. Neck: 4=2, Body: 3=4=OW V. (SN L2270)
1985 TST-50BB 8=9 BB V Ctrl
1985? LE36 R MR. Neck: Not known, Body: 11.3 MRV. Ian's book.

W:

1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH W, Body: 5=12 MR X (Matching headstock block logo)

X:

1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)
1980 ST55 R MB. Neck: 3=2, Body: 3=2 MB X (SN 0012669)
1980 ST60R FO. Neck: 1-1, Body 2-1 (struck through), 1-1 (handwritten) FO X. (SN 0016208)
1981 ST80 GS. Neck: Not known, Body: 4=8 GS X (SN 1014927)
1981 ST55 R MR. Neck: 10=6MR, Body: 10=6MR X (Ian's book)
1981 ST80R MR. Neck:Not known Body: 4=1 MR A-X. (SN 1013537)
1981 SS40 YS. Neck: Not known, Body: 5=5 YS X (SN 1102021, Nagano build)
1981 SS-70MRR 8=5 MR X Pup
1981 SS-55MB 11=6 MB X Pup
1983 ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH W, Body: 5=12 MR X (Matching headstock block logo)
1983 TSS-40MR 1119M R X Ctrl
1986 TTE55 BL. Neck: 7-12, Body: 7 12 BL X (SN 226824)
1987 TJB-45MRR (no pg) 4-2 MR X Ctrl
1987 TST-55SWR (Bradley) 5 17 SW X Ctrl

Y:

1981 ST70 YS Neck: 10=8, Body: 7=2 YSO Y
1982 ST50 GS. Neck: Not known, Body: 5=13 GS Y. (SN 12008)
1982 SS65 N, Neck: Not known, Body: ?=25 N Y
1982 SS50 R MR. Neck: Not known, Body:8=17 MR Y. (SN 2024070)
1982 ST-50BB ?=4=BB Y(V?) Ctrl
1982 ST-60MRR 9=8 MR Y Ctrl
1983 TSS-40MRR 7=15MR Y Ctrl
1984 ST60 OW Neck: Not known, Body: 10=2 OW Y
1984 TST60 SP. Neck: Not known, Body: SP Y 6-5 O (SN 21920) Purple Sparkle
1984 TST60 SR. Neck: Not known, Body: SR Y 6-5 O Red Sparkle

Z:

1981 ST60 R MR. Neck: Not known, Body: ... MR Z (SN 0018885) Ian's book
1981 TE120 YS. Neck:Not known, Body: 10=10 YS Z
1981 SS60 OW. Neck: Not known, Body: ?=2 OW Z (SN 101479)
1981 SS80 YS. Neck: Body:1=6 YS A Z (SN 1012478)
1981 SS70S RR. Neck: Not known, Body: 1=2WN Z (SN 1023532)
1981 ST55 MG. Neck: Not known, Body: 1=3 MG Z
1981 ST65 MG. Neck: Not know, Body: 10=6 MG Z (SN 1020940)
1981 VSB-60CSR 7=2 CS A Z Pup
1981 SS-45MBR 2=7MB Z Ctrl
1981 SS48R MR. Neck: Not known, Body: 13=5 MR Z (SN 1016077)
1982 ? SS?? All black BB. Neck: Not known, Body: 4=8 BB Z
1982 SS 40 BB. Neck: 12=1, Body: 12=1 BB Z (SN 2026559)
1982 ST-50BB 10=5BB Z Ctrl
1982 SS-? All black 4=8 BB Z Ctrl
1982 ST60 R BB. Neck: Not known Body: 3=11 BB Z (SN L02897) All black
1983 ST55 SO. Neck: 12=6, Body: 12=6 SO Z (Block logo)
1983 ST55 SO. Neck: Not known, Body: 6=7 SO Z (Block logo)
1983 SS-38OW 12=20OW Z Ctrl
1984 ST40 R BB. Neck: 4=2, Body: 4=2=BB Z. (L22795)
1984 ST55R OR. Neck: 7=3, Body: 8=2 OR=Z
1984 ST50/60 GS, Neck: Not known, Body:5=12 GS Z
1984 ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z
1984 ST55 R SO. Neck: Not known, Body: 9=3 SO Z. Matching headstock. Ian's book.
1985? ST55L. Neck: Not known. Body: 6.30LB Z.

Multiple letters:

1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)
1981 ST80R MR. Neck:Not known, Body: 4=1 MR A-X. (SN 1013537)
1981 SS80 YS. Neck: Body:1=6 YS A Z
1981 VSB-60CSR 7=2 CS A Z Pup
1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH, Body: 5=12 MR X (Block logo)
1983? ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1984? ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z (SN 12431) Ian's book
1984 ST55 PP. Neck: Not known, Body: 3.2 PP Z. (SN 19805) Ian's book
1984 TST60 SP. Neck: Not known, Body: SP Y 6-5 O (SN 21920) Purple Sparkle
1984 TST60 SR. Neck: Not known, Body: SR Y 6-5 O Red Sparkle

 

[Sigmania]

Strange examples:

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26428&p=198176#p198176

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26058&p=200192&hilit=silver+star+gallery#p200192

My 1981 ST80R MR

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26253&p=200127&hilit=block+logo#p200127

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26515&hilit=sparkle

 

[Sigmania]

Looks like in at least one case the letter might refer to how it was painted?

Here is an H on a neck that is a matching headstock block logo ST55 MR.

Also a red dot and a "W" on the neck below the other marks.

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26253&hilit=block+logo

 

[Sigmania]

This single humbucker Silver Star is very odd and likely holds some clues as to what these numbers mean, but still a mystery.

I think we'll probably have to just settle on it being a one-off (unless another turns up...), for whatever reason. The odd body number suggests that it's outside of the normal production sequence, at least. It could have lost both the space and the =, it's been seen before. But I don't think I've ever seen a month-batch stamp with one of the numbers beginning with a zero?

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26698&p=200508#p200508

 

[Sigmania]

Updated list of letter codes.

So far we have: A, H... L, M, N, O.. V, W, X, Y, Z


A:

1978 ST100N. Neck: Not known, Body: 4=4 N A, (SN 0000276)
1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)
1979 TE80 GS. Neck: 12=7 A, Body: 12=7 GS A (SN9005303)
1979 ST100 GS. Neck: 8=3&4 A, Body: 8=3=GS. (SN 9003909)
1979 TE80 GS. Neck: 12=7 A, Body: 12=7 GS A (SN 9005420)
1980 TE120R WR Neck: ?=15 A, Body: Not known (SN 0012035)
1980 ST80 GS. Neck: Not known, Body: 3=8 GS A (SN 0006409)
1980 ST100 N. Neck: 6=1 A, Body: 6=1 N A (SN 0000639)
1980 ST100R GS. Neck: 3=9 A, Body: 1=4 GS (SN 0000290)
1981 ST80R MR. Neck:Not known, Body: 4=1 MR A-X (SN 1013537)
1981 SS80 YS. Neck: Not known, Body:1=6 YS A Z (SN 1012478)
1981 ST85 MB. Neck: Not known, Body: 9=2 MB A
1981 VSB-60CSR 7=2 CS A Z Pup

H:

1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH W, Body: 5=12 MR X (Matching headstock block logo)

L:

1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)

M:

1983? ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1984? ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z (SN 12431) Ian's book

N:

1983? ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1984? ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z (SN 12431) Ian's book

O:

1984 TST60 SP. Neck: Not known, Body: SP Y 6-5 O (SN 21920) Purple Sparkle
1984 TST60 SR. Neck: Not known, Body: SR Y 6-5 O Red Sparkle

V:

1982 ST-50BB ?=4=BB Y(V?) Ctrl
1985? ST55 R LB. Neck: 7-1, Body: 7.1 LB V. Ian's book.
1984 ST55 FO. Neck: 10=1, Body: 11=4FO V. (SN18053)
1984 TPB-40OW 12=20OW V Pup
1984 TST-36BBR (LE) 9=1 BB V Ctrl
1984 TSS-38OW 9=14OW V Ctrl
1984 ST40 R OW. Neck: 4=2, Body: 3=4=OW V. (SN L2270)
1985 TST-50BB 8=9 BB V Ctrl
1985? LE36 R MR. Neck: Not known, Body: 11.3 MRV. Ian's book.

W:

1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH W, Body: 5=12 MR X (Matching headstock block logo)

X:

1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)
1980 ST55 R MB. Neck: 3=2, Body: 3=2 MB X (SN 0012669)
1980 ST60R FO. Neck: 1-1, Body 2-1 (struck through), 1-1 (handwritten) FO X. (SN 0016208)
1981 ST80 GS. Neck: Not known, Body: 4=8 GS X (SN 1014927)
1981 ST55 R MR. Neck: 10=6MR, Body: 10=6MR X (Ian's book)
1981 ST80R MR. Neck:Not known Body: 4=1 MR A-X. (SN 1013537)
1981 SS40 YS. Neck: Not known, Body: 5=5 YS X (SN 1102021, Nagano build)
1981 SS-70MRR 8=5 MR X Pup
1981 SS-50MB 11=6 MB X Pup
1983 ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH W, Body: 5=12 MR X (Matching headstock block logo)
1983 TSS-40MR 1119M R X Ctrl
1986 TTE55 BL. Neck: 7-12, Body: 7 12 BL X (SN 226824)
1987 TJB-45MRR (no pg) 4-2 MR X Ctrl
1987 TST-55SWR (Bradley) 5 17 SW X Ctrl

Y:

1981 ST70 YS Neck: 10=8, Body: 7=2 YSO Y
1982 ST50 GS. Neck: Not known, Body: 5=13 GS Y. (SN 12008)
1982 SS65 N, Neck: Not known, Body: ?=25 N Y
1982 SS50 R MR. Neck: Not known, Body:8=17 MR Y. (SN 2024070)
1982 ST-50BB ?=4=BB Y(V?) Ctrl
1982 ST-60MRR 9=8 MR Y Ctrl
1983 TSS-40MRR 7=15MR Y Ctrl
1984 ST60 OW Neck: Not known, Body: 10=2 OW Y
1984 TST60 SP. Neck: Not known, Body: SP Y 6-5 O (SN 21920) Purple Sparkle
1984 TST60 SR. Neck: Not known, Body: SR Y 6-5 O Red Sparkle

Z:

1981 ST60 R MR. Neck: Not known, Body: ... MR Z (SN 0018885) Ian's book
1981 TE120 YS. Neck:Not known, Body: 10=10 YS Z
1981 SS60 OW. Neck: Not known, Body: ?=2 OW Z (SN 101479)
1981 SS80 YS. Neck: Body:1=6 YS A Z (SN 1012478)
1981 SS70S RR. Neck: Not known, Body: 1=2WN Z (SN 1023532)
1981 ST55 MG. Neck: Not known, Body: 1=3 MG Z
1981 ST65 MG. Neck: Not know, Body: 10=6 MG Z (SN 1020940)
1981 VSB-60CSR 7=2 CS A Z Pup
1981 SS-45MBR 12=7MB Z Ctrl
1981 SS48R MR. Neck: Not known, Body: 13=5 MR Z (SN 1016077)
1982 ? SS?? All black BB. Neck: Not known, Body: 4=8 BB Z
1982 SS 40 BB. Neck: 12=1, Body: 12=1 BB Z (SN 2026559)
1982 ST-50BB 10=5BB Z Ctrl
1982 SS-? All black 4=8 BB Z Ctrl
1982 ST60 R BB. Neck: Not known Body: 3=11 BB Z (SN L02897) All black
1983 ST55 SO. Neck: 12=6, Body: 12=6 SO Z (Block logo)
1983 ST55 SO. Neck: Not known, Body: 6=7 SO Z (Block logo)
1983 SS-38OW 12=20OW Z Ctrl
1984 ST40 R BB. Neck: 4=2, Body: 4=2=BB Z. (L22795)
1984 ST55R OR. Neck: 7=3, Body: 8=2 OR=Z
1984 ST50/60 GS, Neck: Not known, Body:5=12 GS Z
1984 ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z
1984 ST55 R SO. Neck: Not known, Body: 9=3 SO Z. Matching headstock. Ian's book.
1985? ST55L. Neck: Not known. Body: 6.30LB Z.

Multiple letters:

1978 ST100 OW. Neck: 8000720, Body: ST100 X L N (overpainted, SN 8000720)
1981 ST80R MR. Neck:Not known, Body: 4=1 MR A-X. (SN 1013537)
1981 SS80 YS. Neck: Body:1=6 YS A Z
1981 VSB-60CSR 7=2 CS A Z Pup
1983 ST55R. Neck: 5=12 MRH, Body: 5=12 MR X (Block logo)
1983? ST50 FO. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1 FO X (Block logo)
1984? ST50 MB. Neck: 7=1 NM, Body: 7=1MB Z (SN 12431) Ian's book
1984 ST55 PP. Neck: Not known, Body: 3.2 PP Z. (SN 19805) Ian's book
1984 TST60 SP. Neck: Not known, Body: SP Y 6-5 O (SN 21920) Purple Sparkle
1984 TST60 SR. Neck: Not known, Body: SR Y 6-5 O Red Sparkle

 

[HAMAMATSU]

8) I heard personally from mr.kunishi Furuhashi before that those stamp codes have nothing to do with the dates of the manufacture. It’s not like X-Y is month-day like it’s wrongly believed on this forum for the years. Mr.Furuhashi was a Tokai ex-engineer in the 80’s and now the owner of the famous Tokai guitar shop NEO in Nagoya. He created the LS320 series and the LS150F series and still very important person today for Tokai. He didn’t explain it exactly because those codes are the company secret infos but he says those codes means something like the routing pattern # of the CNC router machines and the lot # of the finished products. The alphabets sure means something like the color and material and other stuff. For example, YS means yellow sunburst and A means ash and X means no trans finish probably, etc. not many people today know what those codes mean exactly. It’s a long time ago now. We don’t believe that fake letter from Tokai. Mr. Furuhashi and I don’t believe it. I understand the enthusiasm but that letter is not real. I hope I can get more infos from mr. Furuhashi in the future. I understand we wanna know about it so much. So good luck with us!

 

[mdvineng]

8)

 

[Sigmania]

We don’t believe that fake letter from Tokai. Mr. Furuhashi and I don’t believe it.

Which letter are you talking about?

This letter?

Here"s what Tokai Gakki Co.Ltd say about it;

"The code No. on the body and neck express lot number.
>-body code: 6=14 A
Made in June.
>-neck code: 5=16 A
Made in May."

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24985

 

[Sigmania]

8) I heard personally from mr.kunishi Furuhashi before that those stamp codes have nothing to do with the dates of the manufacture. It’s not like X-Y is month-day like it’s wrongly believed on this forum for the years. Mr.Furuhashi was a Tokai ex-engineer in the 80’s and now the owner of the famous Tokai guitar shop NEO in Nagoya. He created the LS320 series and the LS150F series and still very important person today for Tokai. He didn’t explain it exactly because those codes are the company secret infos but he says those codes means something like the routing pattern # of the CNC router machines and the lot # of the finished products. The alphabets sure means something like the color and material and other stuff. For example, YS means yellow sunburst and A means ash and X means no trans finish probably, etc. not many people today know what those codes mean exactly. It’s a long time ago now. We don’t believe that fake letter from Tokai. Mr. Furuhashi and I don’t believe it. I understand the enthusiasm but that letter is not real. I hope I can get more infos from mr. Furuhashi in the future. I understand we wanna know about it so much. So good luck with us!

I think this is the exact same argument that a member going by the name "TOKAI JOE" made in the original thread in 2009...

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12927&start=45

Exact same argument.... 8)



" everyone........

i have been asking about that X=Y tokai code to the ex-tokai man since
a few years ago like my good buddy here mick australian has too.
he is the owner of that legendary tokai store named "NEO" and has been
with tokai now and then for a long time. he was sure before the factory
worker back then in the 80s and after he retired he has seen all tokai
does from the outside, from his guitar store. he was the main engineer
for the LS320/380/370/470/series, (the original proto was called LS300.
"hunter bob" here has it!) and the LS150 series. plus his own brand
the "NEO-SELECT" series. he does the 2 stores himself so has been very
busy i guess. i sometimes dont get the reply back from him even i ask
him whatever important questions politely sometimes. i will sure ask
him about the code someday and then simply sure let you guys here know
so dont worry. it will be completely shown easy someday. i asked him
about togps's theory before but he simply just denied it as NOT. what he
told me in several replys are a bit more complex and here is the best summary
i can give you right now. he didnt say exactly what is "X=Y"
absolutely simply always means, but he told me about each cases
(the neck code, the PU routing code, the body cavity code) and all the answers have
something common since i guess that is very close to it.
but like i said, i will sure (mick too i am sure) ask him what is it exactly
someday when time is right. he told me that today's tokai president is

actually the 2nd generation not the first founder who made everything in the 80s.

he is his son. this 2nd generation president is very good man

who uses some english but dont know much about the guitar makings.

he only does the business and maybe golf too but all the tokai

guitar making works are by his engineer team. he also has a good old

famous office woman named furuhashi who does english to the international customers.

any english questions basically should go to her since she is the one who takes care of
the international business matters. i was told all this by the tokai man very clearly.
they are all good old friends from the old days. so they are the tokai people today.



what seems to be the general truth about those X=Y tokai codes.......
(the sure up-dates must be given sure laters)


wherever "X=Y" was there........on the neck end, the PU routings,
in the body cavity........

usually and most likely.......................


X=Y-#-BODY-extra.........................means..........................

the CNC router#---the routing pattern#---the lot#---BODYinfos---extras.

so say when on anywhere, if some like 2=3A WB 2EA Z .............

means.......its by the #2 CNC machine by the #3 pattern the lot#A
and the body is white blonde 2EA is 2 piece excellent alder
Z is for the export editions. (no idea better or worse......)


something like this was very common on all his replys before........
so i guess generally something like this is very much it or so much closer
than the other theorys. togps's "month-day" theory seems too simple
and non-sense especially when more #s are there to it and the #s often
dont match with "1-12, january-december, days". its very comfortable
and pleasant and fun if the code is simply "month-lot""month-day".
we guitar guys love that simple birthday theory but that sounds too simple
and insignificant i feel. something like the above seems/feels more the reality
dont you think? anyways its not perfectly understood yet and the truth is
maybe 5 more politely written asking emails away so when done i sure
let you know here. he is pretty busy and i am too often so its taking time. maybe
mick does it sooner or laters before me. so keep checkin what mick says well too.........
hope this helps good some so far................

joe japan.






8) please dont borther the neo-man since he does no english basically.
Last edited by TOKAI JOE on Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
http://www.petitiononline.com/MDUK/petition.html"

 

[Sigmania]

If you read that thread, there was no further information offered. And none to this day, 13 years later.

So, to date, the best info we have is the letter felixcatus got from Tokai in response to a question about his Breezy, and the face to face meeting Gottffred, togps, had with Mr. Adachi. BTW, Gottfried ordered many special order Reborn Olds from Tokai and had a very close relationship with them as their distributor in Germany. Including during the time frame of this original argument in 2009. That's a primary source.

Would love to see actual evidence, or hear from a primary source willing to step forward and go on record supporting any other claims.

Until that happens, I'm comfortable with the month being the first number.

 

[HAMAMATSU]

8) have been asking him about the codes exactly but he doesn’t tell me exactly because those infos are the company’s secret he says. I will keep trying to get the official comment/proof from him anytime. We all wanna know this one so badly over the years I understand. Ok, thanks. Tokai Joe/Hamamatsu.

 

[felixcatus]

If you read that thread, there was no further information offered. And none to this day, 13 years later.

So, to date, the best info we have is the letter felixcatus got from Tokai in response to a question about his Breezy, and the face to face meeting Gottffred, togps, had with Mr. Adachi. BTW, Gottfried ordered many special order Reborn Olds from Tokai and had a very close relationship with them as their distributor in Germany. Including during the time frame of this original argument in 2009. That's a primary source.

Would love to see actual evidence, or hear from a primary source willing to step forward and go on record supporting any other claims.

Until that happens, I'm comfortable with the month being the first number.

I agree and confirm that the mail I received from Tokai Gakki Co.Ltd was genuine..... :wink:

 

[Sigmania]

SN 100170

Date stamped neck pocket:

"10.2.28" Feb 28, 2010
"10.3.4" March 15, 2010
"10.3.15" March 15, 2010

Date stamps in neck pocket?

https://reverb.com/item/32106689-tokai-ast-65-goldstar-sound-2010-japan-black

 

[Sigmania]

No serial number...

https://reverb.com/item/5506603-tok...st-alder-body-the-best-strat-you-ll-ever-play

 

[Sigmania]

No serial number.

Date stamped.

'09 9.17 (Sept 17, 2009)
'09 9.24 (Sept 24, 2009)

Seems very Fujigen like.

Description

Hey now! You're looking at a super cool guitar.
This is a 2009 Tokai Japan Goldstar Sound Sunburst Guitar.
It weighs 7 lbs 12 oz. 25.5" scale, 1.69" nut width.
Tokai is well known for their attention to detail and quality workmanship.
This Goldstar Sound Strat is nothing short of awesome.
Alder body, maple neck, rosewood board.
Bathed in a beautiful 3-tone sunburst finish.
The pickups grab up this excellent Strat tone and you'd swear you're playing a Fender.
Shimmering chords, excellent note articulation.
It's in next to mint condition as you can see in all the photos.
Just setup - the neck is straight, the frets are clean, and the action is set to just about 3/32" at the 12th fret.
It includes the Fender G&G case you see in the photos.
This is a great opportunity to get your hands on a great playing Strat for the price you want.
Thanks for looking!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3743215458...0rhz/o1zvfaJsK7D64bufHKnY=|tkp:Bk9SR_KvpvSeYQ

 

[mdvineng]

I would also think it's a Fujigen made one.

 

[Sigmania]

How about these guitars from late 2009 that have no serial number and have a completely different type of body code system.

No Serial Number MIJ Goldstars

I am certain this is in some way related to building Fenders, but still haven't figured out what the story is.

Before these guitars show up there is a big blank spot and the ony ST models I see from around 1994 til 2009 are low end guitars that were likely made in Korea and later China.

Without further adieu...


2009 AST

Date stamped.

'09.6.22
'09.6.29







Tokai AST Strat 2009 Japan , Lake Placid Blue | Reverb

 

[Sigmania]

I noticed the above 2009 Tokai with no serial number starts with a "T" in the production code and this Fender starts with an "F".....

Slab board '62.

flamedmaple69:

"Hey folks

Can you lend your experience on this situation?\

E-mailed Fender, no help
No stamp in the neck pocket other than "OLB"
Stamp on the neck says "F12-21"
Anyone familiar with the Fender Japan neck stamping codes?"

Guitarmegeddon:

"Yep that's what she is - a 2004 (if it's CIJ and Q or R serial prefix) ST-62 '1962 reissue' Strat.....but with a poly finish, not nitro....."



ST62 OLB

FENDER JAPAN HELP: Trying to ID this 2004 Fender CIJ Strat