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Got my first greco, need help.. it's my first Les Paul
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Funkstylez
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha you're probably right, i should probably read less of those harmony central guitar reviews

Could you tell me a bit more about those 3 guitars you mentioned and perhaps a price range?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that most forums are biased - I'm sure the Gibson forum would tell you that Gibsons are better than the Japanese alternatives - on here you will be told the opposite. You have to decide for yourself.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orville by Gibson Reissue

2-piece back, fret edge binding, '57 Classic pickups sound great, play great, good as a modern Gibson

1980/81 Tokai LS80

1-piece back, fret edge binding, Goto pickups sound OK, play great, good as a modern Gibson but really could do with better pickups, the Goto's aren't bad but not as good as the OBG's or the Greco's. Big + is a 1 -piece back though, you can't upgrade a 2-piece as easy as pickups!


Greco EGF850 SuperReal


2-piece back, fret edge binding, PU-2 pickups sound AMAZING, play great, good as a modern Gibson big fat '50's neck brazillian R/W board

I have all three so I know what I'm talking about, and have owned Gibsons in the past.

All of these would be available for about your price range and the one thing they all have that new Gibsons dont is bags of character and they will appreciate in value.

One thing I would say n favour of a modern Gibson is that you can go you a local shop and try 20 and pick the nicest one, it will be set-up perfectly and have a guarantee!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the solid top/back thing.. is it a practical feature or something cosmetic like the fret binding? And if you had to choose between a guitar that had a solid top, or a solid back, what would be a smarter choice?

I've read this topic: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289144
and they say solid top is better.. the topic applies to acoustic guitars tho, not les pauls
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purely cosmetic, all of these are solid backs just some are made from 2 bits of wood rather than 1, looks prettier! A lot of OBG's and all Greco 850's ( as far as I know) have a solid maple cap with a thin laminate of maple over the top, again just a looks thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

important update: Seller from initial auction has removed the negative feedback, perhaps because of this thread or the emails sent to him.
Thanks everyone, the lessen learned from this is to be patient and ask many questions.

I have also received some advice from a very friendly ebay seller called mustang_axeslinger, perhaps some of you know him since you probably know all the sellers and all the auctions. Basically here's what he had to say:

Quote:
Hi, I read the thread briefly.
So what you bought is not what you expected when you bidded or you later found out the guitar you got is not what you expected?
The guitar seems good one to me though.
Everyone has his own preference so it is hard to say what is best for you. You need to be specific about what you are looking for even with small details such as fretboard material, weight,pickups, sound, neck shape and so on.
Once again, even if someone says best, it doesn't mean it is best for you. This is the difficult part of buying guitars without trying it.
Just like any Gibson can be poor quality guitars.
if you have 10 Gibson, they will all play differently.
Anyway, if you are looking for a quality Gibson replica, I would highly recommend one from late 70's or any of 80's. I prefer Burny over Greco with most models except some highend Greco such as EG800 and above.
Usually you will get a better deal(price and quality of guitar) with Burny than Greco.
Good Greco will always cost you more than good Burny. That's my opinion.
Each guitar is different from others. So you will need to check as many as you can and decide what's best for you.
As a player, I prefer larger frets and darker(prehaps Ebony) fingerboard. Fret edge binding is not big deal as even my Gibson guitars I own have refretted medium jumbo frets for better playability.
There are some Greco with no serial # from late 80's or early 90's and they come with larger frets from the factory than other Les Pauls and also have very dark fretboard.
I personally like them over most other Les Pauls.
They are cheaper too.
If you care about playability, stuff like that would be more important. At least that's my take.




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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good advice from Mustang! Fret-edge binding would be way down on the list of things to look for in a guitar. Plyability, sound and a cool finish are priorities to me, but everyone has their own opinions.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Funkstylez, i got a reply from your seller regarding the greco,
"quote" Dear leadguitar_323,

Thanks for information but i ve burnt this fu.... japanese ^&*( guitar
yesterday in my oven!!!

hahahahahahaha cranky prick...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess i'm not the only thing that got burnt by that auction then

Anyways, getting back on topic, Mark(Villager) has a lot of nice guitars for sale on his page.. including the 3 John mentioned.

However i kinda noticed and like THIS Burny he has for sale because of the V1's, the fact it's in excellent condition and the color:


Burny Les Paul Custom
Tobacco Sunburst
Late 80's
VH-1's <- everyone says these are good
Fret Binding
Plaintop <- plain in which way?
?450/?625/$900 EXC

The price is kinda low, so i'm kinda worried in which way it could be possibly inferior to for example the 3 guitars John listed, or the RR65 Mick mentioned before.. everyone says V1's are good pickups.. but i feel i missed something about it.. someone care to explain?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ther is quite a difference between the original VH-1's and the later ones one the late '80's Burny's. That's not to say this is a bad guitar, it could well be pretty good but I wouldn't expect it to be a match for any of the guitars I mentioned, and would very much doubt it would be up to 'real Gibson' standards.

It's also a 'custom' rather than a standard, 'real' customs were all mahogany. but I would expect this one to have a maple cap so sound more like a standard, even so I personally don't care for the look of sunburst customs.

Like everything in life you get what you pay for and that guitar is ?450.00
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys, i would still prefer an greco or an OBG over the burny and i still think that the price on the burny is a little rich. Don't be in too much of a hurry and you will pick up a really good guitar for eg: a japanese friend of mine recently sold {and he had it for ages} a wine red OBG reissue for 95000 yen or about$890.00US great guitar and very good value. There are still some bargains to be had so be a little patient and i'm sure you'll find something you'll like.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
Try an Orville by Gibson Reissue, everything you want but normally a 2-piece back. Excellent guitars.


I thought the guy was looking for something with end bound frets.
I have seen plenty of OBG Lesters that do not have end bound frets, just like their less costly Orvilles cousins

I have also seen some higher spec Orvilles as compared to some OBG Lesters, i.e. 2 piece bodies on some Orvilles as compared to 3 piece on some OBG.
This doesn't mean that it's a better guitar, just because it has less pieces that comprise the body but many people (here) believe that.

I think funky needs to understand that when dealing with these MIJ guitars, everything is not as black & white, or cut & dry as it may seem to be..............
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi MIJ, as far as i know all OBG reissues have fret edge binding.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
Hi MIJ, as far as i know all OBG reissues have fret edge binding.

Mick


Mick, thanks for pointing that out to me

Apologies to JohnA, as I completely overlooked the word 'Reissue' in his post.

I am now officially a moron


This also brings up another can of worms for our new forum member funkystylez, as we have Orville, Orville by Gibson, and of course we have the much rarer Orville by Gibson Reissues

Yo funky, you sure you're really up for all of this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, hit me.
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