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Ibnose
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Orville by Gibson what model? Reply with quote

I bought this ObG earlier in the year. Seller says it's an "89. I read in another thread that white plastic electronic covers denotes MIK on lps. The pots show Japan on them and it has the long tenon neck. I looked at the pups. No markings on them. Also another thread said ObG pups have some kind of denotation on them. So I'm confused. Can any of you owners shed some light? Also what model# this one is? Thanks much


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression that ObG guitars typically used Gibson pups, but I could be wrong. I think that's an '89, and I didn't know they were already making them in Korea by then, or if ObG was ever made in Korea (I thought just Orville was). Maybe someone switched out the pups...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: ObG what model Reply with quote

Sorry for any confusion in my first post. I didn't think this was a MIK model, but that MIK lps typically had the white covers on the back. I would have thought all the MIJ had black covers. But I am curious about the pups if they could have been switched out. Also curious to know what model# this guitar is. thanks again
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Orville by Gibson what model? Reply with quote

The serial number indicates that your guitar is an '89 OBG LPS (Orville by Gibson Les Paul Standard FS) plaintop brownburst. The original truss rod cover should have said, "Standard" on it. I'd have to see the insides to see what you're talking about pickups but the original's should have said, "Gibson USA" stamped on them. All Orville by Gibsons were MIJ either by FujiGen or Terada and no where else. Click on my signature below if you want to see a bunch more.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: ObG what model Reply with quote

Well the pups are out and the resolution isn't very good. But nowhere is there any wording on it. See below:




So all ObG pups have some kind of manufacturer's name on them? The pups don't look new - if they were switched out it was either long ago or for older pups but there it is. Could they be Gibson without the writing on them? Anyhow they sound good.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience is that they should usually look like this on a OBG 'Standard':




.....and like this on a 'Reissue':




.....and they look kinda-like a circuit board on some of the OBG LPCs but they're still USA Gibson.

As many of these OBGs as I've had, I have seen a number of exceptions to what's considered to be common knowledge but what I've showed you is what I personally know about them.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: ObG what model Reply with quote

Hey Innadaze - thanks for your input.. Can you tell me what FS stands for? And do you ( or anyone else) know if there is a model# for my ObG? I'd like to know about the pickups - they put out a really nice sound. But I don't know how they would stack up to a Gibson LP.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, it's a 1989 made in Japan by Terada Orville by Gibson with a medium tenon and someone has changed the pickups before you bought it and please stop with all the Korean stuff or there will be Orville by Gibson Korean rumors starting .
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: ObG what model Reply with quote

Ibnose wrote:
Hey Innadaze - thanks for your input.. Can you tell me what FS stands for? And do you ( or anyone else) know if there is a model# for my ObG? I'd like to know about the pickups - they put out a really nice sound. But I don't know how they would stack up to a Gibson LP.
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The 'model number' is "Les Paul Standard" or "LPS 59" (although some were LPS 57). It's supposed to be a replica of '59 Gibson LP. Supposedly they used the original blueprint/specs of the old LPs to create the Orville By Gibsons.

FS (referring to a Les Paul) means "Finish Sunburst." CS means "Cherry Sunburst" and VS means "Vintage Sunburst" but there are also other variations on the Sunburst finishes such as "HD" "HS" and "LD." The entire last page of one of the OBG catalogs I have has a list of finishes for nearly all the models and their designations. One of these days I'll get around to posting all that stuff on my website but until then look here?..
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: ObG what model Reply with quote

What kind of Gibson pups should I look for then? and is there much difference between those that are vintage and those that are new?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If whatever's in there now sounds good to you, that's all you need. SD's sound really good and there are as many other pickups (and what others will say about them and why they like them) as there are stars in the sky. I like the Gibson PAFs because they have a nice roll-off and break-up for the way that I play but that's just me. It's all personal taste and the way you like to sound and maybe the wood of your guitar is made out of.

I'm not crazy about them but on certain songs a hot set of single-coils can really sound good and you can roll-off the treble if you want them to muddy up but I've got half-a-dozen Teles with humbuckers on them which I love the sound of. On a Les Paul though, in addition to what I mentioned above, I really like a good-quality humbucker that separates all the strings when you want it to and then roars like a hurricane when you hit it hard. I know there are a jillion other guys around who'll tell you what to get if you want to swap them out.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i didn't know that any of the ObG had a glued on neck heel. This is a HUGE cost saving feature, as it allows them to make 2 necks from the same piece of wood. Is it rare for an ObG to have a glued on neck heel? or is it standard?
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen quite a few Terada G serial OBG's and Terada K Orvilles with a separate neck heel. It depends on the price of the OBG. The higher priced OBG's are less likely to have it. I don't think any of the Fujigen OBG's (no G letter) have a separate neck heel. Terada were doing separate neck heels on some lower priced OBG's but Fujigen weren't. The Terada G serial OBG's separate neck heels are identical in design to the Terada K Orville neck heels. Not all Terada K Orvilles have separate neck heels, only some. The Terada G serial OBG's and the K Orvilles have the same bodies and necks and tenons. Terada were deciding on the guitar either being a OBG or a K Orville and then stamped the OBG with a serial and left the K Orvilles with no serial. That's why the G serial OBG LP's etc have identical features to the K Orvilles. So you could get a K Orville that was good enough to be a G serial OBG except for some minor issue and vice versa you could get a lower priced G serial OBG that's more like a K Orville. The K Orvilles are a bit of a hit and miss. You could get an absolute gem or you might get a bit of a lemon.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

those could be 57 classics with the stickers gone...are the solder joints original?...although 89 is a bit early for ObG to have 57 classics...
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st of all, I'm not an Orville expert (nor an expert of any japanese brand ) but I know that at least from 87-89 Gibson used so called "R" pickups invented by Bill Lawrence (aka Billy Lorento aka Willi Lorenz Stich ) which are the ones mentioned above as pups with a "circuit board". Most(but not all) of the 88 and 89 Gibson Les Paul Standards and Customs I have seen have these pickups.
Just for additional info.
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