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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: very interesting ObG Reply with quote

I have just got a new old ObG custom, it has the 57 classics as stock, fret edge binding and a nitro finish, its an ObG without any doubt....BUT it has no ser number, but there is a mark where there was a sticker on the headstock back, this is the first ObG that I have seen with a sticker rather than a ser no, its a wine red custom..so my guess is its a very very late 1995 model, which for some reason has the sticker format rather than the ser no...it also has a long tenon..

any one seen another like this?









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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can tell by the wide split diamond spacing and the headstock shape that this is a Terada OBG and not a FujiGen one and it should have a G serial number.
The FujiGen ones have less pointy edges on the headstock resulting in a different shape and they have a closer together split diamond.
The K Orville customs have the same headstock shape and split diamond spacing as the OBG G serial ones so Terada seems to be where the K Orvilles come from.
The shape on the back of the headstock seems to match the shape of a K sticker.
Is the shape an indentation or more of a sticker residue mark?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a genuine OBG to me.
If the mark is an indentation maybe what happened was they had already stamped the neck with a serial number for a OBG then decided due to some minor flaw that it was going to be a K Orville neck so they got rid of the stamped serial leaving the mark and then they decided to use it on a OBG anyway.
There are other things that back something like this up with the OBG's and Orvilles.
Like how some OBG's got medium tenons and how some K Orvilles got long tenons from the same years 1988/89-1993.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its an ObG and theres no flaws ...I think that its either v early or v late and they were no longer stamping ser no's...

sticker mark..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well seeing that it's a sticker mark your probably right.
I'd go for very early because it isn't a FujiGen OBG.
The sticker mark is the same size and in the same location as a K sticker.
Strange.
I wonder if the sticker was a K sticker.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone from one of the Japanese Greco sites says someone recently in Japan had a OBG LP Deluxe with no serial so it seems there are a few but they don't turn up often.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i have never seen one before and i have had 100+ ObG's
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on ur find Villager, interesting indeed!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm... A lot of 9mm and 380 automatics turn up here in LA missing their ser nos. But I've never seen an OBG w/o one. At least all mine have 'em.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mahogany body , mahogany top, and an ebony board...

57 reissue...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird that it has a volute, is that normal?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds quite normal lol..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark u forgot the wonderful non-tone effecting fret edge binding too

FRET EDGE BINDING!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah yes how could i forget that...lol..ta..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems genuine to me.
I've seen a ES-35 OBG with no serial but it did have the inside body sticker and some Japanese say that they have had OBG's with no serial.
When I showed them this thread they weren't surprised.
Yamano would have put a sticker on it rather than send it back to the factory I think.
The serial number is always printed on the Yamano OBG warranty even for the K Orvilles so I think if it isn't serialized by the factory Yamano then add a serial sticker for their warranty.
Kanda Shokai and Fernandes don't seem to care too much about Grecos and Burnys with no serial but Yamano seems to be different.
And I'm pretty sure I saw a Orville EB-3 with a sticker the other day although it was hard to see it properly and if it was a EB-3 with a sticker then it's the first one as they are usually ink stamped.
I've had another look at the Orville EB-3 and it definitely has a sticker mark at the back of the headstock and is the first one I've seen.


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