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joukov
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many ifs, buts, (un)likelys, surelys, maybes and whys for me at the moment. To me K-series is made in Korea until someone shows some real hard evidence.

I hope you are not becoming obsessed with this, japanstrat.
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bruno
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about you joukov, you seem a little obsessed to?

Since you like to show how many, if's and maybe's, why don't you get moving and prove the man wrong?
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villager
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

right lets put a stop to this bickering and childishness NOW...

both of you are expelled to the les pork forum ......

heheheh
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahah
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no!

I trust the expert's word: http://www.japanguitars.co.uk/
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe sorry the headmaster in me came out there...
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bruno
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's smart thinking joukov

I'd rather make my own research, than to "trust" however, thanks
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villager
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruno ..go away and do some research ..maybe you'll learn something...

I actually have researched this subject for the past 7 years, have visited japan numerous times, had articles published in magazines, and owned hundreds of high end japanese guitars...so if you dont want to "trust" my opinions fine ..

I do not claim to know everything about this subject..but I know a hell of a lot more than you do...so why dont you take your constant ^&*(-stirring elsewhere...

I frankly dont like the tone of a lot of your posts...they seem to be to be more geared towards getting peoples backs up than from a genuine desire to contribute anything worthwhile...
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bruno
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that seems to be fine with me too, I am not too fond of the tone of your posts either... but as far as I know this is a comunity which I joined mainly for the tokai guitars.

So youre going to have to learn to live with my tone, as I am learning to deal with yours.

And we both now, this is not the subject youre pissed about...
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sneakyjapan
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait.....I`m having a Harmony Central moment.... there, think it`s past.
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20 century boy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joukov wrote:
Too many ifs, buts, (un)likelys, surelys, maybes and whys for me at the moment. To me K-series is made in Korea until someone shows some real hard evidence.

I hope you are not becoming obsessed with this, japanstrat.

Well, that was considered as a given truth first. But for the moment, except for the quality and the letter K , we have absolutely nothing that could lead us to the Korean makers. The Japanstrat idea is only hypothesis of course but it's argued enough to make sens. For tha Korea theory, It was just there first but without more proof than japanstrat's theory.

The only part that bugs me is, if we have several factories, Kanda Shokai should be the one working with Fujigen gakki as they were heavily linked to that factory from the start. And we know that Fujigen could make some fantastic replicas... why a drop in the quality on the K models?
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sneakyjapan
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all this thread has done is confuse me even more about the brand. fortunately I very rarely see used orvills here and now if i do I won`t buy it for the same reasons I don`t buy brand name goods for my wife...I just don`t know enough about em to tell the real ones from the fakes...so I avoid em altogether...and luckily...my wife is not into name brand goods. She likes platinum though...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think that both possibilities are equally valid...

the thing is the K serial are certainly different to the others ..but why and where is an open question...
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japanstrat
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be basic Orville by Gibsons and also higher feature Orville by Gibsons.

Here is a basic Orville by Gibson Sunburst

http://www.digimart.net/gk_detail.do?instrument_id=DS00120381

and here is the equivalent K serial sunburst

http://page15.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t18161154

The SG's don't vary much between all the Orville variations, except for the pickups.


I'll admit the Orvilles are confusing but I'm just trying to work them out by watching for patterns in their serial numbers and the catalogue info and using any other info I can get, like emails from people who bought them and the Japanese companies.

When I first heard about the K serial Orvilles being Korean I thought ok they are Korean but the more I know about them makes me have a lot of doubts.
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japanstrat
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

n/a

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