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zook Plucker
Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: Help in identifying an MIJ Les Paul copy (Camel Les Paul) |
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Anybody familiar with Camel guitars? I got this a week ago. The former owner bought it from a musician in Japan and literally hid it under the bed for a couple of years. I was a bit put off when I saw it. The strings were all rusted, the body and head stock were encrusted in a thick layer of dirt, other hardware were showing signs of corrossion. Below is a picture I took the day after I bought it. Got rid of 90% of the dirt but as you can see the neck still looks lifeless.
According to a premier guitar luthier here in Manila, this is a faithful reproduction of a Gibson LP. Well, except for the tailpiece and the tuning heads. It has a maple top, mahogany back and neck, mother-of-earl inlays, etc. In terms of quality, the luthier said it is comparable to a high end Tokai or Greco. It is probably from the "lawsuit era." I really have no way of knowing since there is zero information on the world wide web.
The guitar sounds good. Tone is clean with lots of sustain despite the rusted strings. This is my first Les Paul so I really have no way of knowing how it compares to other LPs.
And so if you have any information on Camel guitars, please post it to this thread. TIA!

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orvilleowner Guitar God
Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 281 Location: washington state
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Help in identifying an MIJ Les Paul copy |
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I've never seen or heard of a Camel before.
| Quote: | | Got rid of 90% of the dirt but as you can see the neck still looks lifeless. |
Well, then you better start playing it!
It looks like a winner. |
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marcusnieman Guitar God
Joined: 22 May 2003 Posts: 5730 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Nice guitar.....I bet it smokes  |
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orvilleowner Guitar God
Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 281 Location: washington state
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Nice guitar.....I bet it smokes  |
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
It sort of looks like a Matsumoku product --- I get that vibe from it. |
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20 century boy Guitar God
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 1091 Location: Paris
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| orvilleowner wrote: | | It sort of looks like a Matsumoku product --- I get that vibe from it. |
Well, I think I've read somwhere that Camel was a label of Aria but, since I couldn't find were, it's nothing I'm sure of. But Yes, I gets that Matsumoku vibe too. _________________ nankurunai sa! |
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orvilleowner Guitar God
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Then it's confirmed: Matsumoku it is! |
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20 century boy Guitar God
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I remember now, I read that on a yahoo auction. A guy was selling one and said it was from Aria. it's not very reliable but since I didn't find any infos anywhere... _________________ nankurunai sa! |
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longbrim Plucker
Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: CAMEL GUITAR |
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Earlier this year I bought a 'Camel Travelcast' from a collector. Stunning early 80's Japanese copy (lawsuity) with no other information available anywhere. _________________ 'It can't be blamed for my mistakes.' |
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JohnA Guitar God
Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 3648 Location: Middlesbrough UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| marcusnieman wrote: | Nice guitar.....I bet it smokes  |
I got the joke even if no-one else did  |
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longbrim Plucker
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: CAMEL GUITAR |
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You guys are wittier than the Washburn crowd. The similar stylised logo is of some interest as it could possibly indicate a promotional item ordered by the infamous cigarette company from who? Matsumoku? Time frame fits. _________________ 'It can't be blamed for my mistakes.' |
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marcusnieman Guitar God
Joined: 22 May 2003 Posts: 5730 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: CAMEL GUITAR |
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| longbrim wrote: | | You guys are wittier than the Washburn crowd. The similar stylised logo is of some interest as it could possibly indicate a promotional item ordered by the infamous cigarette company from who? Matsumoku? Time frame fits. |
Here's one for you Camel fans (look at the script on the pack - looks damn close to that on the guitar - and that is a mighty fine looking guitar):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI |
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stratman323 Guitar God
Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 8052 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Help in identifying an MIJ Les Paul copy (Camel Les Pau |
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| zook wrote: | | The guitar sounds good. Tone is clean with lots of sustain despite the rusted strings. |
Whatever the guitar is, get rid of those rusty strings! Dirt on a guitar probably won't do it much harm, but playing a guitar with rusty strings is going to damage the frets & fingerboard, or at least cause much more severe wear. The jagged bits on the strings won't do your fingers any good either.
Mike _________________ I told my wife "Let that boy boogie-woogie, 'cause it's in him and it has to come out." She had no clue what I was on about. |
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japanstrat Guitar God
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 821 Location: Melbourne Australia
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throstur Guitar God
Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 63 Location: Reykjavik, Iceland
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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SMOOOOOOOOOOOKIN.........Nice find. First thing is to change strings, then play it for awhile, then have it set up properly (or do it yourself if you know how to).
One thing you can do, when you change the strings, is to clean the fretboard with a rag and lukewarm water. Watch out not to have the rag to wet, just damp. If there is stubborn build up of dirt (usually against the frets it is a good practise to remove it carefully with a credit card or similar plastic object. DO NOT USE SHARP METAL OBJECTS.
When this has been done, let it dry overnight and then oil it with Cold Pressed Linseed Oil. It is available in small bottles at every store that sells /paint/pencils/canvas to artistīs. It costs 2-3 dollars and lasts a lifetime. For best results do not use the lemon oils sold at music stores.
You will be surprised when this dried out fretboard will darken and come to life again! Pictures please. before and after;-)
All the best
T _________________ "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
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stratman323 Guitar God
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| throstur wrote: | For best results do not use the lemon oils sold at music stores.
You will be surprised when this dried out fretboard will darken and come to life again! Pictures please. before and after;-)
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I beg to differ - I've been using lemon oil for over 15 years with only good results. There's a separate thread on lemon oil somewhere on here, if you want to look for it. _________________ I told my wife "Let that boy boogie-woogie, 'cause it's in him and it has to come out." She had no clue what I was on about. |
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