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LS120's from 1981 Veneer-Gimme a break
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: LS120's from 1981 Veneer-Gimme a break Reply with quote

Someone mentioned that the '81 catalog says the LS120's are veneer-I have 9 1981 Love Rock LS120's -all have Solid Maple tops ( I have to check on the one I just bought-3/3/06)- Confirmed not veneer-
with so many 120's-what are the chances ????? Seems like I would have at least one veneer'd top- What a crock-


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the average weigh of your 81 LS120's Mac?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THe Reborn "OLD" is the heaviest of the bunch @ 9 1/2lbs. -all the udders weight under 9 lbs. or right at 9 lbs.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 1980 LS 120 Reborn Old is 9 pounds 4 oz.



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ouch...my shoulder just twinged.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldflame wrote:
ouch...my shoulder just twinged.


It's not a perfect world....


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She looks great nonetheless Jim.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ochay wrote:
You can see pics here:
http://www.lilypix.com/photos/showalbum.php?aid=3960&uuid=


Shouldn't that rather be:
http://www.lilypix.com/photos/showalbum.php?aid=3961&uuid=1257

Is it possible to give some underline description for each thumbnail (e.g. the serial numbers), because it looks as if there would be some double photos of the same guitar? And you have two other albums for your Reborns, right?

And I always wonder what you want with all those Japanese cheapos...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is slightly off-topic. I don't want to start another "Solid vs Veneer" top issue, but I've found that the best way to tell the difference is not by checking the woodgrain per say in the pickup cavity, but rather by checking the bookmatch joint of the top, with the bookmatch joint in the pickup cavities. Both top and cavity joints should line up EXACTLY.... No execption here.. if they do not EXACTLY line up, that would Prove the top to be veneer. I have never seen a "lap joint", Scarf joint", or any other tpye of "angle" joint that would support the thoery of the bookmatch joint not lining up.

This is information only guys, I'm in no way putting anyone's else's methods of checking down, nor am I saying that all LS120's are veneer, so please don't misunderstand me on this.

Would you not agree Hans? I found this out the hard way on my LS120

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didsomeonesaylespaul? wrote:
This is information only guys, I'm in no way putting anyone's else's methods of checking down, nor am I saying that all LS120's are veneer, so please don't misunderstand me on this.
Would you not agree Hans? I found this out the hard way on my LS120

Sure, if the seam of the two pieces doesn't match in the cavity, too, it's obviously not a solid top. But you could also bookmatch a veneer and place it exactly over the seam of the plain maple parts underneath, so it's not 100% safe to assume a solid top by that method.

Like I've already mentioned in earlier threads, in my opinion you should try to find the graining of the annual rings (not the flames) that can be followed from the cavity wood onto the top, i.e. if the diagonal graining in the cavity corresponds to the graining on the top or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true Hans, it's not 100%, but it sure is an easy way to spot an off-center Veneer Top. In my experience most folks don't know enough about wood to make a true judgment call on a solid flametop. It would seem that if they (or some) see any indication of flame in the cavity they just assume it's a solid top. But anyway, I agree it's not a full proof method.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hans those are all different guitars-six 1981 LS120's-
three 1980(1 "OLD", 2 Love Rock) LS120's

-did you see the Flametop '81 LS80??(is that a sweet AXE ???)

I'm missing one headstock pic in the LS120's-
I'm missing the body shot of the 80 "OLD" LS120
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ochay wrote:
Hans those are all different guitars-six 1981 LS120's-
three 1980(1 "OLD", 2 Love Rock) LS120's

Yes, I realized that after looking at the full pictures, but I thought it would be possible to name the thumbnails in the overview somehow. On the other hand I haven't explored the Lilypix album possibilities yet...

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-did you see the Flametop '81 LS80??(is that a sweet AXE ???)

No LS80 spam in a LS120 thread please... I've noticed that you added more Love Rocks in that album though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your right Han's -
I just need to take the time to name everything>>>>
BTW
That LS80 is the ONLY worthy Tokai I have EVER found to close to a LS120. I'd give my Right nut B4 (left one is already gone) I sold her>>>>


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

well, i'm with ochay...LS120's have solid flame tops - not veneer. They were cheaper than the LS150 because they didn't have DiMarzio pups, but the build specs are identical according to my research.
Pre-1990 LS200's were a different kettle of fish again - a totally different set of specs to the LS120/150.
With all these solid-vs-veneer threads, Keep in mind that like their cars and motorcycles, the Japanese would alter the specs every couple of years, try new things, drop slow models, etc.. the LS-80 and LS-100 probably had more changes to them over the course of their reign than any other model - i reacon there must be at least 6 different variations of the LS-100 from 1978 thru 1990.

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