Tokai Forum - a subsidiary of TokaiRegistry.com Forum Index
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Thursday Burst. 60's Black Beauties and more aging (PICS)
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Tokai Forum - a subsidiary of TokaiRegistry.com Forum Index -> Tokai Guitars
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
eresseraca
Guitar God


Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Thursday Burst. 60's Black Beauties and more aging (PICS) Reply with quote

UPDATE! Early 60's Black Beauty 160P caps installed and some more aging done!

UPDATE! Aged headstock and modded trussrod cover.

UPDATE! 50's wiring scematic! Thursday Burst.

UPDATE! Lightweight tailpiece installed and aged hardware. Soundclips and LOTS of pics!

Here's a little contribution to the forum other than just having questions about the recent quality issues.

A little site I made for the mods and stuff I've done to my Love Rock LS-80 trying to capture a little bit of the feel and tone of a vintage Burst.

I got a lightweight tailpiece coming in soon, I have gotten the new knobs that are missing on the last photos and the site will be updated in the future as I change more stuff, pickups etc.

http://www.multi.fi/~nproject/thursday_burst/

Hope you enjoy it! eresseraca
_________________


Thursday Burst: 1959ing a Tokai Love Rock


Last edited by eresseraca on Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:18 pm; edited 5 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
ganzua
Guitar God


Joined: 19 Feb 2006
Posts: 569
Location: Sp

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite interesting. Did you try to replace the tuners? I'd like to replace my tuners for vintage klusons and I have not clear if they fit.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bruceboomstick
Guitar God


Joined: 21 Dec 2005
Posts: 391

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a great site and detailled job. Look forward to seeing some more pictures
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eresseraca
Guitar God


Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I haven't replaced them yet... Maybe in the future though.

But after the tailpiece change I'll replace the pickups to some PAF clones...

It's a 05 but it had Gotoh pickups stock both reading about 8.5k, in other words not the newer Keiyo ones. I talked to Hans-Jurgen over at the SD Forum and he believed that the may be the Gotoh PAF MKII's. The sound decent and will do for now, when it comes to Ohm readings the are quite close to PAF's as well. I still plan exchange them further down the road though.

Thanks bruceboomstick! Glad you enjoyed it, pics and maybe some comparsion soundclips are on the way as soon as the tailpiece arrives.
_________________


Thursday Burst: 1959ing a Tokai Love Rock
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Ozeshin
Guitar God


Joined: 13 May 2006
Posts: 2076

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ganzua wrote:
Quite interesting. Did you try to replace the tuners? I'd like to replace my tuners for vintage klusons and I have not clear if they fit.

Vintage kluson's will fit with a little routing of the post holes.
I went the opposite direction and put a modern set of grovers on mine...bad move.
The tuners work fine but Klusons use two screws to hold them onto the headstock...grovers take just one.
That meant i had to putty up the extra screw holes and colour them to match the cherry finnish.....it almost worked
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ganzua
Guitar God


Joined: 19 Feb 2006
Posts: 569
Location: Sp

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozeshin wrote:
Vintage kluson's will fit with a little routing of the post holes.


Thanks Ozeshin, routing means sanding?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tudor
Guitar God


Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 1542
Location: AC - Germany

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey eresseraca,

never saw such a detailed and informative web site before - exception: profs!!

Congrats - you did an excellent job!!

Now I know where I'll come back when I need advice in wiring ... had so much problems with the correct '50s wiring on my Edwards!

Keep going on with this ... I'm looking forward to the next steps.

Roger
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Clay
Guitar God


Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 53
Location: Earth

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very professional looking conversion and probably better Quality than some of the overpriced G!bson Historic reissue models that are floating around. Nice Job!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
joukov
Guitar God


Joined: 06 Apr 2006
Posts: 280
Location: Helsinki, Finland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, eresseraca and welcome to the forum!

Great site and great looking guitar.

If you are looking for paf pickups for your project you might want to check Kloppmann pickups. He's done his homework on pickups. Here's a link: http://www.kloppmann-electrics.de/index_en.php

Ben Granfelt uses Kloppmann pickups and if I recall right he is using PAF as a bridge pickup in his Tyler Burning Water guitar. He's also the Kloppmann dealer in Finland.

Br, Jouko
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Paladin2019
Guitar God


Joined: 06 Sep 2002
Posts: 2065
Location: Cardiff, UK

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job, but I have one slight criticism; I've tried in the past to install that switchcraft switch and had the same problem. Gibson actually use a washer insert to get around it. When I asked my tech to do what you did with the sanding he refused on the grounds that to get the screw reasonably secure you'd have to sand the top thin enough that it would be incredibly vulnerable to damage.

Switchcraft actually make a switch with the thread long enough to fit properly on tokais - but i guess that little tidbit is too little too late!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eresseraca
Guitar God


Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all kind words everyone, appreciate that!

When it comes to pickups, I have looked around alittle already and the Klopmanns seems like a interesting alternative for sure. Didin't know that there were a Finnish dealer though. That's good news in case I'll go with the Klopmanns!

You now Paladin.... when using the "deepthreaded nut" that Gibson used/uses the switchcraft switch there's a chance that it would fit without sanding. I ordered the deepthreaded nut afterwards. So I have now both sanded it down + use the deepthreaded nut. And now it fits like a glove. As I said, it would probably work with just the deepthreaded nut but it looks more "correct" now after sanding it thinner first so that the threaded part of the switch ain't that far down in the hole. And that's what I'm shooting for after all.

Sure the top got a thinner around the switch but I don't see that as such a critical thing. I tried to gently put some preassure on there afterwards to see if it bends or so. But I relalized that it would still require ALOT of pressure on just that area of the top to break it since the thinned area is such a small area and the body is supporting the top on the sides of it.

I'll post some pics of the switch fitted in place with the deepthreaded nut as well. As soon as I get the time for that.
_________________


Thursday Burst: 1959ing a Tokai Love Rock
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
tudor
Guitar God


Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 1542
Location: AC - Germany

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi eresseraca,

I have the Kloppmanns in my Edwards - for me now it is an upgrade, but at first it was a very strange sound for me, I must confess.

They're sounding very open, woody and hollowly, never heard this tone before. Additional '50s wiring with single conductor braided shields all over, even the connection from the switch to the pots and from the jack make this happen. Andreas Kloppmann himself recommends this wiring scheme.

So - listen to them before you'll give them a try (they are expensive), you won't regret it!!

Roger
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
eresseraca
Guitar God


Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, it's just that woody hollow non wax potted sound that I'm interested in. But as you state, they're damn expensive

We'll see. When talking PAFs over at the SD Forum someone suggested that if I'm going for boutique german winders I should also check out Leosounds pickups. Handwired PAF replicas at a very resonable price. Not much info on them though.

I have though about getting a SD Antiquity neck and a Leosounds 59Bucker Classic bridge.
_________________


Thursday Burst: 1959ing a Tokai Love Rock
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
johan
Guitar God


Joined: 30 Jun 2002
Posts: 114
Location: Sweden

PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very well done. Nice work on that site. I'm in the middle of this myself. Have my ES120 stripped from electronics at the moment. Lightweight Alu tailpiece, CTS 500KA pots, braided wire, switchcraft jack and Antiquity pickups.

You recommend the wiring on your site? Any schematic?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eresseraca
Guitar God


Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks johan! The new wiring made my Tokai sound alot richer and fuller... I love it.

If you want the 50's wiring... (some like it some don't, you have to try, you can always resolder if you don't like it) Then wiring on my site is the wiring to do. No schematic though, just the photos and the black & white picture.
_________________


Thursday Burst: 1959ing a Tokai Love Rock
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Tokai Forum - a subsidiary of TokaiRegistry.com Forum Index -> Tokai Guitars All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group