whats the differences

benny_j22 · Dec 23, 2004

apart from the flame top, are there any tecnical differences between the ls60 and ls80?

ned · Dec 23, 2004

Information can be found here:

http://www.tokairegistry.com/tokai-info/tokai-gibson-models.html

Ned

Paladin2019 · Dec 23, 2004

Basically, no. :lol:

ArthurS · Dec 23, 2004

There shouldn't be. I do remember that the Guitar Universe website used to say the LS60 (now LS70) comes with either a two- or three-piece back, whereas the LS80F and 85Q always come with a two-piece back.

Don't know if there's any truth to it, and I don't know if it's still that way now.

By the way, the flame top on the LS80 is actually a paper-thin veneer on top of the regular maple cap. The LS70 doesn't have a veneer, just the two piece maple cap.

Anonymous · Dec 28, 2004

I tested about 20-30 Tokai guitars and really sounds of LS80f (sycamore) and LS85Q (quilted maple) are different.
First one has more trebles and better with dist.
Second one has deepest mild sound and better for clean and fat overdrive.
I think this is because the tops made from different kind of maple (sycamore is one of the kind).

Paladin2019 · Dec 28, 2004

Lacroix said:
tested about 20-30 Tokai guitars and really sounds of LS80f (sycamore) and LS85Q (quilted maple) are different.
First one has more trebles and better with dist.
Second one has deepest mild sound and better for clean and fat overdrive.

I think this is because the tops made from different kind of maple (sycamore is one of the kind).

That's a very strange observation since the only differences between those two are in the paper-thin veneer top. The maple underneath is the same.

If you did hear a difference, it was probably due to natural variation in the wood and nothing to do with the quilt/flame tops.

Anonymous · Dec 30, 2004

Paladin2019

I don't know exactly why but fact is fact - all guitars with maple top (LS70,LS75, LS85Q) have deeper sound than all LS80F, And last one has better sound with dist. (I mean guitars which I had in my hand)
Sycamore- is kind of "highland" maple ( "yavor" in Russian ) and more hard than original maple.
The difference in sound maybe like between ash and swamp ash....

ian · Dec 30, 2004

Guess Benny is talking new Tokais, but ? early LS60 vs. LS80,?BIG difference :-? .

Ian.

ArthurS · Dec 30, 2004

Lacroix said:
Paladin2019

I don't know exactly why but fact is fact - all guitars with maple top (LS70,LS75, LS85Q) have deeper sound than all LS80F, And last one has better sound with dist. (I mean guitars which I had in my hand)
Sycamore- is kind of "highland" maple ( "yavor" in Russian ) and more hard than original maple.
The difference in sound maybe like between ash and swamp ash....

Yeah but the 'sycamore' bit on the LS80 is less than 1mm thick. Same goes for the LS85. All of these guitars HAVE a maple top, the only difference is that the LS80F has a paper-thin sycamore veneer on top of that maple cap, and the 85Q has a paper-thin quilted veneer. I just can't believe that about .5mm of 'wood' would make such a difference on sound, so I think I'll have to agree with Paladin on this- any sound differences you may heard must've been due to regular variations in the wood, not in the veneer.

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