ST55 or ST65 from 1981 Pickups

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Post by bluejeannot » Thu May 31, 2018 10:20 am

Good comeback Hiro! :D
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Post by brokentoes » Thu May 31, 2018 10:28 am

I've got a set of "U"s that measure

Neck - 6.0
Middle - 6.2
Bridge - 6.1


Let me know if anyone would like to trade a set of "E"'s. I've got mostly humbucker's from boutique winders to offer.

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Post by bluejeannot » Thu May 31, 2018 10:34 am

The Es are fabulous pickups although some us don`t like them. They really nail that vintage Strat sound. I think that Felix Catus's 6 plus ohms Es are outliers as Es are usually underwound compared to Us.However from what I have read from a very early Tokai catalogue the Es are hand wound as opposed to the Us which are machine wound, so anything is possible as regards the number of windings.
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Post by felixcatus » Thu May 31, 2018 10:59 am

bluejeannot wrote:The Es are fabulous pickups although some us don`t like them. They really nail that vintage Strat sound. I think that Felix Catus's 6 plus ohms Es are outliers as Es are usually underwound compared to Us.However from what I have read from a very early Tokai catalogue the Es are hand wound as opposed to the Us which are machine wound, so anything is possible as regards the number of windings.
Good point. I must say and fwiw, that to my ears the E's in my 1981 ST80R sound 'smoother' than the E's in my 1978 ST100.

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Post by guitar hiro » Thu May 31, 2018 7:40 pm

Yes, this entire thread replete with members making unsubstantiated claims in regard to Tokai pickups is analogous to a fishing trip in which folks claimed a 12-ounce sun fish was actually a 7 lb. - 8 oz. large mouth black bass.

Pretty funny sh!t

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Post by bluejeannot » Thu May 31, 2018 8:27 pm

guitar hiro wrote:Yes, this entire thread replete with members making unsubstantiated claims in regard to Tokai pickups is analogous to a fishing trip in which folks claimed a 12-ounce sun fish was actually a 7 lb. - 8 oz. large mouth black bass.

Pretty funny sh!t
Both Felix and myself know more about Tokai pickups than you will ever know my jumped up little sprat.The quotes about Tokai pickups are entirely substantiated ,it's just that you don't know jack (fish) about any of them. I would stick to fishing for your old freshwater black bass if I were you largemouth. Just leave the sea bass to the adults and the experts,because you are clearly out of your depth in this particular ocean. Pretty funny sh*t huh? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :
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Post by guitar hiro » Thu May 31, 2018 8:50 pm

bluejeannot wrote:
guitar hiro wrote:Yes, this entire thread replete with members making unsubstantiated claims in regard to Tokai pickups is analogous to a fishing trip in which folks claimed a 12-ounce sun fish was actually a 7 lb. - 8 oz. large mouth black bass.

Pretty funny sh!t
Both Felix and myself know more about Tokai pickups than you will ever know my jumped up little sprat.The quotes about Tokai pickups are entirely substantiated ,it's just that you don't know jack (fish) about any of them. I would stick to fishing for your old freshwater black bass if I were you largemouth. Just leave the sea bass to the experts,because you are clearly out of your depth in this particular ocean.Pretty funny sh*t huh? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :

and you claim someone else in this conversation to be lacking maturity? LOL.
Why have you failed to produce one, solitary, verified example of Tokai E, or U pickups with the single black insulator?
Your claims are nothing more than claims, and very fishy.

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Post by bluejeannot » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:26 am

http://www.strat-talk.com/threads/gotoh ... lp.205902/ Gotoh who manufactured ALL the Tokai greybacked and was the ONLY maker of grey backed pickups in Japan at the time and also supplied Fernandes with the same units ,used a single black insulator on some of their 80s strat pickups.This is not definitive proof by any means, as this particular pickup is a stacked single coil/humbucker and has an additional earth , but it certainly beats any evidence to the contrary put forward by you Mr Hiro to support your theory that this pickguard and it's grey backed pickups, were somehow constructed and immaculately soldered together in a little shed in Yokohama or Kyoto,by some devious faker, using random bits and pieces from his spares drawer, which any Tokai buff would instantly be suspicious of, in order to screw a few extra yen out of an unsuspecting American buyer ! Your supporting evidence for your ludicrous theory seems to be entirely lacking .......but maybe that is because you literally haven't got a clue! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by guitar hiro » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:59 am

aroomstudios wrote:Just got the guitar. I measured the ohms with my Fluke meter through the 1/4 cable and moved the pickup selector according (bridge, middle, neck). All pots were fully turned on (vol 10, tone 10, tone 10) I got

Bridge - 5.951k
Middle - 5.806k
Neck - 5.723k

Sure measuring them de-soldered would probably give me a closer reading (but only 1-2%). I will do that tomorrow. But I would say these are E pickups from the measurements I got.
so, you have measured the ohms but how do the pickups sound? Do you like them?

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Post by aroomstudios » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:56 pm

I actually have not gotten around to listening to them yet. The guitar had 10 year old strings on it. Which I cut off when I pulled the pickguard off the measure them. I ordered a few things for it online. New Tremolo locking tuners etc. So, I am not going to put it back together until that stuff comes in a few weeks.

It needs some work but for the price it is a pretty good guitar.

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Post by bluejeannot » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:33 am

Are you sure the strings have not just been cunningly faked and artificially distressed to look ten years old? :wink:
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Post by brokentoes » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:44 am

"Historic" strings ? Just boil 'em up for an hour and they'll be good as new. Quit throwing your $$ away

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Post by guitar hiro » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:39 pm

Bluejeannot,

Checking your posts to this thread:
Below are your posts, AND you agree that, "E pickups typically have the black & white insulators," YET you still have failed to demonstrate one solitary example to the contrary.

YOUR quotes:

“the pickups are almost certainly Es”

“Whilst I agree with Hiro that E pickups usually have one black and one white insulator”
You still have NOT accounted for this anomaly.

“Well here are some unstamped grey pickups on a 79 Springy ST80, who knows what might turn up next!” = = = = = = = = (BUT These have the white/black insulation)

“Yup, just as I suspected, they are unmolested Gotoh Es.The soldering looks original”

http://www.strat-talk.com/threads/gotoh ... lp.205902/ Gotoh who manufactured ALL the Tokai greybacked and was the ONLY maker of grey backed pickups in Japan at the time and also supplied Fernandes with the same units ,used a single black insulator on some of their 80s strat pickups.This is not definitive proof by any means, as this particular pickup is a stacked single coil/humbucker and has an additional earth , but it certainly beats any evidence to the contrary put forward by you Mr Hiro”

“our theory that this pickguard and it's grey backed pickups, were somehow constructed and immaculately soldered together in a little shed in Yokohama or Kyoto,by some devious faker, using random bits and pieces from his spares drawer, which any Tokai buff would instantly be suspicious of, in order to screw a few extra yen out of an unsuspecting American buyer ! Your supporting evidence for your ludicrous theory seems to be entirely lacking .......but maybe that is because you literally haven't got a clue”





All while you provide absolutely nothing of real evidence to support your claim these are unstamped Tokai E pickups, you degrade the thread with your personal attacks on another Tokai Forum member (me).

Below are quotes from you:

"Both Felix and myself know more about Tokai pickups than you will ever know my jumped up little sprat.The quotes about Tokai pickups are entirely substantiated ,it's just that you don't know jack (fish) about any of them. I would stick to fishing for your old freshwater black bass if I were you largemouth. Just leave the sea bass to the adults and the experts,because you are clearly out of your depth in this particular ocean."



"some of their 80s strat pickups.This is not definitive proof by any means, as this particular pickup is a stacked single coil/humbucker and has an additional earth , but it certainly beats any evidence to the contrary put forward by you Mr Hiro to support your theory that this pickguard and it's grey backed pickups, were somehow constructed and immaculately soldered together in a little shed in Yokohama or Kyoto,by some devious faker, using random bits and pieces from his spares drawer, which any Tokai buff would instantly be suspicious of, in order to screw a few extra yen out of an unsuspecting American buyer ! Your supporting evidence for your ludicrous theory seems to be entirely lacking .......but maybe that is because you literally haven't got a clue!"


You sit here on this forum, making continual claims but you provide absolutely NO real information to back up your fairy tales, and you sling personal insults at forum members, just to make yourself feel good.

You should be ashamed at the fraud you exhibit here.

You sit here on this great forum & hurl sh!t at others, without any evidence of your claims, and you get your jollies. That is just low life POS.

When you have real evidence of your claim, then come back, without the personal insult bullsh!t.

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Post by bluejeannot » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:46 pm

Yawn.
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Post by Hodge69 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:35 pm

Great debate, but let's not get personal.

My own opinion is that - if I'd bought an ST guitar from 1980ish, I'd like clarification on why the pickups are different to every other Tokai from that era.
They could well be Fernandes pickups which got mistakingly installed in the factory, but would this only happen once?
Could the price be affected in the future?
Could it be a prototype which is worth more?

This thread is definitely not finished, but let's keep it professional, gentlemen.

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