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Tokai Goldstar - is perfect tuning impossible?

 
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Hodge69
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:07 pm    Post subject: Tokai Goldstar - is perfect tuning impossible? Reply with quote

Well, after my last post about intonation, I've uploaded a new video on the subject which I hope will start a bit of discussion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QaB2P-Cnugw&feature=youtu.be

I think I've found that perfect intonation is impossible on an electric guitar.

I believe perfect intonation is possible with the pickups 'out of the way', but a bit of a compromise if you need the pickups closer to the strings. My guitar certainly isn't in tune with the pickups set at Fender spec distance.

I've struggled for years with this, so let's have some ideas.

Hodge
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, firstly the tremolo needs to be set correctly before intonation and I'm not a fan of the harmonic method as it depends on where you put your finger on the string, fret it instead, which is how it would be played. Anything with a trem is always a compromise as string tension changes too often. see Dan Earlwine's stuff. And seriously consider adjusting the pole piece heights away from the exaggerated stagger.

my two cents

all the best
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned hundreds of guitars; never intonated a single one. I bet Ritchie Blackmore & many others likely have never intonated their guitars. Why bother?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Ritchie Blackmore probably had his own guitar tech. to do it for him.
If you don't get your intonation right, your guitar will be out of tune at the dusty end of the fret board.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Ritchie's First Strat: A Strat he got second hand from Eric Clapton's roadie. It had a Telecaster neck. Date (?). Ritchie quickly decided that the guitar was unplayable due to intonation problems. Scalloped (?)

Copied from 'STRAT TALK' A list of Ritchie Blackmores' guitars.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is how to intonate a Strat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2miLo3hbEZE
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't argue with that
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/_PVjcIO4MT4
This chap seems to have got it right with a leftie!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/p556npGyXVo
Steve Hillage has got his sorted, not quite The Salmon Song, but think it proves you can intonate a strat.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the first two books on this list. You'll never have a problem again.

http://www.danerlewine.com/guitar_repair_books.html
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Klickflip
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, recently had a few good intonation sessions on my strats.

Some better than others.

Playing notes solos , you can get away with much more tolerance . Especially if you vibrato or bend a lot on notes.
So I donít have a problem unless itís shockingly bad intonation .

But itís bar chords where I have problems more .
Better though on a vintage neck and frets like ST50 than a Modern fender with med jumbo frets.
Though thatís prob my technique of pressing too hard and pushing notes sharp within the chord .

If Iím playing and recording one thing then Iíll tune by ear to the frets / chords Iím playing in predominantly
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Tokai Goldstar - is perfect tuning impossible? Reply with quote

Hodge69 wrote:
Well, after my last post about intonation, I've uploaded a new video on the subject which I hope will start a bit of discussion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QaB2P-Cnugw&feature=youtu.be
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I think I've found that perfect intonation is impossible on an electric guitar.

I believe perfect intonation is possible with the pickups 'out of the way', but a bit of a compromise if you need the pickups closer to the strings. My guitar certainly isn't in tune with the pickups set at Fender spec distance.

I've struggled for years with this, so let's have some ideas.

Hodge

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