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Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model
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CliffsComicWorld
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model Reply with quote

Aloha Crew,

Been wondering what model this guitar is and think I know now. i understand that Tokai made some Grecos in the 1980ís but I did not know they made some SA Models. Here is the run down.
No label or serial number
Stripped Ebony fretboard
Fret end bindings
Square routes for the pickups
Off center center block
Flamed maple top
Birdseye back
Gold bottom unmarked pickups

Anyone else?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/147832065@N08/albums/72157667453940008
Untitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr
Untitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr
Untitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model Reply with quote

CliffsComicWorld wrote:
Aloha Crew,

Been wondering what model this guitar is and think I know now. i understand that Tokai made some Grecos in the 1980ís


Where did you hear this?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itís known that Tokai made Les Paul type guitars for Greco in the 1980ís. The hints are offset neck tenons and square routing for the pickup up feet in the bodyís. These are Tokai construction traits.


Here is the pickup cavity routes on the Greco SA Model

Untitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well documented i have a few of them.. even have the tokai stamping in the cavitys sometimes..
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pickups are a mystery.... will have to break out my meter and measure them... they actually sound pretty good. I think Iíll pull a pot and see if there is a date on them.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont think the pu are original cliff, all the tokai made used the braided wire greco pus of the day...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First post for me here...

I have one just like Cliff's.

Pickups are the same:
3 by JDZ, on Flickr

Cavity routing is the same as on my 81 Tokai ES-150. Fujigen made Greco's don't have the relief in bridge PU cavity either, just a hole for the wire:
BridgeCavity_s by JDZ, on Flickr

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DSC01534 by JDZ, on Flickr

DSC01532 by JDZ, on Flickr

DSC01517 by JDZ, on Flickr

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one of the POTs from mine

Given the open O on Greco (Mint Collection) and that Tokai was making Greco's in late 80's/early 90's, the pot would be FEB 1991?

20180323_221306 by JDZ, on Flickr
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting.. wonder why they used those pu and not the greco ones...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know what kind of pickups they are?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think you can be sure the pots are also original if it had a pickup change. Beautiful guitar regardless of the year.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!

Both Cliff's and mine have the same pickups.
Assumed they were original to the guitars since they look to be the same?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

_JDZ wrote:
Do you know what kind of pickups they are?


no I have never seen those type before..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

build by tokai, painted by greco?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iíll pull a pot and take a picture of the pot codes....both of our guitars have this in common.
Tokai built
Stripped Ebony fretboard
Gold bottom pickups
Neck pickup has black wire lead
Bridge pickup has Gray wire lead

To be continued.....
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