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Advice needed on 2 beautiful tokai love rocks, I have s/n's
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riffpowers
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:52 am    Post subject: Advice needed on 2 beautiful tokai love rocks, I have s/n's Reply with quote

Hi There I'm after some help.

I've seen a beautiful tokai love rock in a local shop.

It has covered pickups, open book headstock, is made in japan, comes with a case and has a lovely cherry sunburst plain top. It is second hand but in immaculate condition. Neck is a bit more "vintage" (chubbier) than a 60's profile gibson, or any 90's gibson I've ever owned.

Is there any way I can find out more about the guitar?? what model?? Value?? Even a ballpark???


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without pictures or at least a serial number, in a word, no
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on what year it is it sounds like a Vintage Series made in Japan LS90/92/95.

Retail price in Japan for a new one is between 100,000 and 110,000 JYen depending on the year.

Does it look like the Cherryburst in this photo, these are LS92/95 models?
In the latest catalog the model number is LS110.


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and thanks for the info!!!

Yes it looks just like the cherry one, except the top had more of a flame in it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flame or Grain?

A flamed top makes it a LS95/98/100F.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have another one I need helpo with too.



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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The white one is the LC "Custom" model.

Not sure of the model number in 2003, probably LC80/85, but from 2008, LC95/98 and at the moment it's a LC107.

LC model with an S is a maple top, LC without the S is all mahogany.

Here's one (Wine Red all mahogany) being played live by a friend of mine...into a VOX AC30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6DPab0xhA
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:
The white one is the LC "Custom" model.

Not sure of the model number in 2003, probably LC80/85, but from 2008, LC95/98 and at the moment it's a LC107.

LC model with an S is a maple top, LC without the S is all mahogany.

Here's one (Wine Red all mahogany) being played live by a friend of mine...into a VOX AC30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6DPab0xhA


Thanks diamond!!

My current dilema is do I get the sunburst as I think its a bit of a bargain although its not what I had my heart set on.

Or do I get the LC pictured above, or a new LC122S from Germany.

Some advice and opinions would be great.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always get what your heart is set on, otherwise it'll be a temporary addition that is unloved.

Consider eBay as well as shops will obviously have a bigger margin for profit. I got mine on eBay, although I probably paid a fraction more than I would've been happy, I don't think I'll ever part.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riffpowers wrote:
Diamond wrote:
The white one is the LC "Custom" model.

Not sure of the model number in 2003, probably LC80/85, but from 2008, LC95/98 and at the moment it's a LC107.

LC model with an S is a maple top, LC without the S is all mahogany.

Here's one (Wine Red all mahogany) being played live by a friend of mine...into a VOX AC30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6DPab0xhA


Thanks diamond!!

My current dilema is do I get the sunburst as I think its a bit of a bargain although its not what I had my heart set on.

Or do I get the LC pictured above, or a new LC122S from Germany.

Some advice and opinions would be great.


Personally, if I had the funds I would buy the new LC122S from Tokai Germany.

Trust me, you'll only spend the money once because you'll never want to sell the guitar.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:
riffpowers wrote:
Diamond wrote:
The white one is the LC "Custom" model.

Not sure of the model number in 2003, probably LC80/85, but from 2008, LC95/98 and at the moment it's a LC107.

LC model with an S is a maple top, LC without the S is all mahogany.

Here's one (Wine Red all mahogany) being played live by a friend of mine...into a VOX AC30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6DPab0xhA


Thanks diamond!!

My current dilema is do I get the sunburst as I think its a bit of a bargain although its not what I had my heart set on.

Or do I get the LC pictured above, or a new LC122S from Germany.

Some advice and opinions would be great.


Personally, if I had the funds I would buy the new LC122S from Tokai Germany.

Trust me, you'll only spend the money once because you'll never want to sell the guitar.


Your friends guitar looks and sounds fantastic !
I prefer the more aggressive tone of a les Paul custom over the more bluesy standard , I'm hoping that the tokai will give me that , even though it's a rosewood board .

Ok , I'm getting closer to making my mind up . I'm not going to go for the burst ls , it's a lovely guitar but ultimately it's not really what I was looking for .
I think the second hand lc pictured is out of the running , I think it's just overpriced compared to what I can get from tokai Germany .

So now I gotta weigh up how likely it is that I'll get a second hand lc on eBay for the right price , but if I wait too long I think I'll miss out on the new lc from Germany.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riffpowers wrote:
I prefer the more aggressive tone of a les Paul custom over the more bluesy standard , I'm hoping that the tokai will give me that , even though it's a rosewood board.


I would be careful to not over-estimate how much influence such minor differences in timber have on the tone as most of it at the end of the day comes from the pickup.

Nothing wrong with getting a guitar that looks the way ya want it and then throwing in pickups that suit your style.

An example of what you're missing out on by going for a 'custom'


I disliked the pickups it came with originally, swapped them and now I'd rather sell my leg.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riffpowers wrote:
Diamond wrote:
riffpowers wrote:
Diamond wrote:
The white one is the LC "Custom" model.

Not sure of the model number in 2003, probably LC80/85, but from 2008, LC95/98 and at the moment it's a LC107.

LC model with an S is a maple top, LC without the S is all mahogany.

Here's one (Wine Red all mahogany) being played live by a friend of mine...into a VOX AC30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6DPab0xhA


Thanks diamond!!

My current dilema is do I get the sunburst as I think its a bit of a bargain although its not what I had my heart set on.

Or do I get the LC pictured above, or a new LC122S from Germany.

Some advice and opinions would be great.


Personally, if I had the funds I would buy the new LC122S from Tokai Germany.

Trust me, you'll only spend the money once because you'll never want to sell the guitar.


Your friends guitar looks and sounds fantastic !
I prefer the more aggressive tone of a les Paul custom over the more bluesy standard , I'm hoping that the tokai will give me that , even though it's a rosewood board .

Ok , I'm getting closer to making my mind up . I'm not going to go for the burst ls , it's a lovely guitar but ultimately it's not really what I was looking for .
I think the second hand lc pictured is out of the running , I think it's just overpriced compared to what I can get from tokai Germany .

So now I gotta weigh up how likely it is that I'll get a second hand lc on eBay for the right price , but if I wait too long I think I'll miss out on the new lc from Germany.


The "more aggressive" sound of a Custom comes from the body IMO, in other words an all mahogany body/top versus a maple top.

The LC model with an "S" means a maple top which will sound pretty much like a regular LP, try find an all mahogany Custom.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucke Luke wrote:
riffpowers wrote:
I prefer the more aggressive tone of a les Paul custom over the more bluesy standard , I'm hoping that the tokai will give me that , even though it's a rosewood board.


I would be careful to not over-estimate how much influence such minor differences in timber have on the tone as most of it at the end of the day comes from the pickup.

Nothing wrong with getting a guitar that looks the way ya want it and then throwing in pickups that suit your style.

An example of what you're missing out on by going for a 'custom'


I disliked the pickups it came with originally, swapped them and now I'd rather sell my leg.


What a beaut!
What model is it, what pickups did you put in it?

Here's one of mine, the same colour LS100F HDC with some other beauties on display in a music store.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like someone to do a blindtest between a mahogany and maple cap, using the same pickups and identical spec. I wonder how audible the difference would actually be if at all.

Its an LS200 with Deacci Vintage II's.

It originally came with Bareknuckles Abraxas, but I rather disliked them.

P.S. Those are beautiful... I'd really fancy trying a Les Paul/SG with P90s...
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