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This is a keeper, but what is it?

 
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dannacet
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:40 pm    Post subject: This is a keeper, but what is it? Reply with quote

So, I had an old Silver Star, and it became an important guitar for many years gigging and recording. It was great and I recommended that a good friend get one - he ended up with a Goldstar and still maintains to this day it is better than any fender start he has played.

I was never tempted with the new Tokais until the other day when a friend told me that a close friend of his was buying a new Gibson LP Standard and was looking to trade in a couple of older "lesser" guitars. I said I might be interested in seeing them and he was interested in cash that might weigh better against his new purchase.

One of the guitars was a 2006 Love Rock. I played it and loved it, the weight, balance, finish, everything about it. So I bought it on the spot.

The only thing is I don't have a clue what model it is. Its definitely Japanese (I've trawled the forums here for clues - 2 screw TRC, and "Made in Japan" is a giveaway). It seems to have a 2 piece top and a 1-piece back - I know this can be difficult to see sometimes, but I certainly can't see any seam or join on the back.

I would appreciate any help... I'll link some pics in the next post.


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dannacet
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/4128/JIEqDA.jpg
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I checked the pickup cavities as you can see, but no obvious markings.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2006? LS-135, I believe.
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dannacet
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. The serial number is 06xxxxx so I assume 2006.

Did they do any other non-flame VF LS in 2006, or is it almost certainly a LS135?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dannacet wrote:


Did they do any other non-flame VF LS in 2006, or is it almost certainly a LS135?


Yes, they do a Vintage Series LS85/90.

As Jacco says yours appears to be a Premium Series LS135.
To check if it's a Premium Series, check the tailpiece, if it's very light then it's aluminium and a Premium Series.
Check the saddles, they should be brass.
Check the toggle switch, it should be a Switchcraft?
The pots should be CTS.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think its the premium model. The fret ends are unbound.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a LS135/160, it won't have fret edge binding.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paladin2019 wrote:
I don't think its the premium model. The fret ends are unbound.


Even LS260 come without fret ends binding. Fret nibs is on LS420 and LS540 only.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even back in 2006?

I still have my doubts. Back then premium series stuff was very hard to get hold of in the uk and pushing Gibson prices. Why would someone seek out and pay a lot of money for what they considered a 'lesser' guitar than the Gibsons that they could get on any high street?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your comments everyone.

Back in sometime around 2003 when I bought my Tokai Strat there was a lot of interest in the "Lawsuit" stuff (apologies for using that term but at the time that's what everyone was talking about). People were importing a lot of guitars. And in every guitar shop I went into, everyone was talking about Gibson's quality issues.

I don't know exactly what those issues were, but lots of people were shying away from the brand at that time. It wouldn't be too far off to say that there was a huge amount of interest in non-standard brands in the following years, rather than people just blindly going for the big names as would have been the norm in the past.

Saying that, I have just opened the back of the guitar and it has green caps as opposed to orange drop, so it's probably not LS135.

Did the LS85/90 have a 1-piece back?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, they aren't 1 piece but Tokai are well known for their skill at matching backs so it may not be obvious.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I'm very happy with the guitar nonetheless.

So just a question regarding the pots. What is the benefit of CTS pots? Are the "Made in Japan" ones not as smooth? Are there huge benefits to change them?
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