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Got A Sour Deal From Koiz Guitar
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javamusic
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:48 am    Post subject: Got A Sour Deal From Koiz Guitar Reply with quote

http://www.apionet.or.jp/~koiz/

I came across this guitar Koiz selling on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/hand-made-LP-with-Burny-VH-1-build-by-Japanese-Lutheir-Guitar-/171187749998?

He described it having a one Pc solid Mahogany back. Since the bid was over and I subscribed to his Facebook group, I contacted him to buy this guitar. When the guitar arrived, yes it is the same guitar on eBay but it turned out having 2 pcs back which is of significant less value.

I confronted him about this and he claimed that I had never asked him and he never said that it had one pc back, and carrying on saying that a solid one pc back Les Paul would cost over $2000. When I asked why he posted such description on eBay he just avoided answering. I demanded a full refund including all shipping because he posted misguiding description and he declined. I did not ask him again about these details because they have all been laid out in his eBay description and now he is not honoring his words. And I thought all Japanese dealers are honest people, what a lesson.

Beware of this seller!
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triniloverock
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that.
Hopefully eBay can refund your lost expense for this.
Another seller of "vintage japanese guitars" you may want to avoid as well is this one:

http://www.ebay.com/usr/karafutomasu

Known for shill bidding and other sketchy stuff...
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marcusnieman
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the item description on eBay:

"Body: Center 2 P Solid maple with One P solid Mahogany."

That sure sounds like a 1 piece back to me......
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javamusic
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

triniloverock wrote:
Sorry to hear that.
Hopefully eBay can refund your lost expense for this.
Another seller of "vintage japanese guitars" you may want to avoid as well is this one:

http://www.ebay.com/usr/karafutomasu

Known for shill bidding and other sketchy stuff...



Thanks, noted.
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Sat2013
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buyer should not start such nega campaign in this forum.
it is out of rules it is.
The first place, this deal is not done on ebay.
nobody win at this auction???.

This link is one of those things when you auction long before the sale of completely irrelevant is satisfied with this trade. But was no one bidder. but I do not sell to affirm never to "one P back maho" in direct transactions with this deal.
The buyer did not pay the money in the two months Sold Out of the instrument. I turned down all other offers. It is insane buyer.Buyer refused proposals for the return from me.Buyer ran this negative campaign to beat the deliberation rule buyer be despite pending in paypal. Ignore my advice


Sorry I am power seller ebay.
I so pride that.
I got over 500(99.3% ) satisfactions.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=koiz-guitar&ftab=AllFeedback
this buyer had no feedback on international deal.

this is all.


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Sat2013
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.
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javamusic
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sat2013 wrote:
Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.


Hey what are you doing up so late. You refused to settle this issue with me and told me good night because you had to go to bed. So is this another lie?
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brokentoes
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 chord kettle, meet 3 chord pot.
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Sat2013
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

javamusic wrote:
Sat2013 wrote:
Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.


Hey what are you doing up so late. You refused to settle this issue with me and told me good night because you had to go to bed. So is this another lie?


my friend report me you Cowardly Campaign.
Wake up! he said .
He is well known american Pro guitarist.
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cashcow
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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marcusnieman
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious Sat..... from your ebay description, it says:

"Body: Center 2 P Solid maple with One P solid Mahogany."

I read that as two piece solid maple top and one piece solid mahogany back. Is that not correct? And whether the sale was on ebay or not, that is the description of the guitar.
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brokentoes
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is the seam on the back ?? Do you have any pictures ?? i don't see any sign of a seam inside the pup cavities but i do admit its hard to see with the pictures on the ebay listing.
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javamusic
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brokentoes wrote:
Where is the seam on the back ?? Do you have any pictures ?? i don't see any sign of a seam inside the pup cavities but i do admit its hard to see with the pictures on the ebay listing.


The seam is visable on reflection. You can a clear straight seam righg at the middle, no mistake.

Furthermore, the seller admitted that it is a 2 pcs body.
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javamusic
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
Just curious Sat..... from your ebay description, it says:

"Body: Center 2 P Solid maple with One P solid Mahogany."

I read that as two piece solid maple top and one piece solid mahogany back. Is that not correct? And whether the sale was on ebay or not, that is the description of the guitar.


Yes Sato, please answer the question and stop detouring the question by bashing me.
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javamusic
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sat2013 wrote:
javamusic wrote:
Sat2013 wrote:
Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.


Hey what are you doing up so late. You refused to settle this issue with me and told me good night because you had to go to bed. So is this another lie?


my friend report me you Cowardly Campaign.
Wake up! he said .
He is well known american Pro guitarist.


Cowardly? I asked you to explain to me why the good does not meet your description but you are evading. I said I would bring this to the net and you told me to bring it on!
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