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Matching body/neck codes misinformation?
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Do body/neck codes have to match?
Yep, to be all original
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess this means you didn?t read my pros and cons list.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course I did Felix, I thought I had read it somewhere before

But without joking, knowing who said it reinforces the quote quite a bit.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two Springy's here, presumably both ST80:

SN: 102xxxx
neck: 9=13, D neck shape
neck pickup cavity: 10=2 GS x
control cavity: 10=4 GS
body looks like alder with nitro finish
A stamp on pickguard, E stamp pickups
Fender-style truss rod nut

SN: 900xxxx
neck: 1=8 and 80 on fretboard, V neck shape
neck pickup cavity: 3=7 GS
neck pocket: ST 80 stamp
body sen, looks like poly finish
A stamp on pickguard, E stamp pickups
Allen screw truss rod nut

What do you think?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First one sounds like a ST-60.
Could you please PM me the full serial numbers for my serial log?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Peter Mac"]Hi Vadim,

This is by no means an effort to offend you or your friend - just a statement of observations borne of knowledge.

Body : truth be told I am a little shocked. The body looks genuine 1978. All the hallmarks are there for a high-end body, possibly ST-80. The neck pocket grain is ash and the control cavity has no shoulder [required for 11-screw pickguard] Ash is quite porous and tends to soak up the finish, leaving it irregular and not smooth, hence the introduction of alder. The shot of the front pickup cavity clearly shows the finish absorbtion by the grain - alder would not be so violent.

By 1979 all ST and SS bodies, ash or alder, had the cavity shoulder.

My conclusion would still be Partsocaster : St-80 body+electrics with St-50 neck
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Hi Peter, I am pretty certain having just taken possession of this guitar and had a preliminary inspection, that it is 2 piece bodied, sen ash 78 st 60 Springy, fitted with E pickups and factory fitted st 50 neck.
The reason I am certain it is factory fitted, is that that the black paint of the drying body, ( BB Tokai colour code) has left a strong outline on the heel of the neck where it interfaces with the body. .Both the pattern of the body paint in the neck socket and the pattern of the black paint imprint on the base of the neck heel, match exactly,hence this could have only happened when the paint was wet ,seeing as this guitar has not been resprayed,this must mean at the factory.
Why an St 60 was fitted with an st 50 stamped neck one can only speculate. maybe they ran out of maple V necks and fitted a u neck.Maybe it was a mistake, maybe a customer preferred a u shape to a v neck who knows. But I am certain this guitar has both it`s originally fitted neck, E pickups and A stamped plate
.Furthermore, the neck is period correct with the allen key truss rod adjuster and the correct neck screw hole spacing .Where on earth would someone find an 78 maple neck to go with the 78 body?
Its not totally impossible I suppose, but there are not enough spare 78 s around, I would have thought, to produce a stream of period correct spare parts. Seeing as the guitar is most likely poly not nitro I haven`t tested it yet, but it feels like poly, then taking account all the evidence it can only be an St 60. Gabe .
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Gabe,

from other info I've gathered, all ST-60 maples till late '81 had a 'U' neck.
It wasn't till MY'82 that they started to get 'V' necks.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That`s very interesting Peter .So it could just have been stamped with the wrong stamp. A 78 st 60 maple neck and a 78 St 50 maple neck would have been essentially the same . Gabe.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen this before and here's a current example of a late 1978 ST-60 with ST-80 body stamp:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-early-years-Tokai-ST80-60-Springy-sound-Japan-made-/111438838159?pt=Guitar&hash=item19f245b98f

This is also seen on some 1978-1979 Tokai LS models of which we know have a set neck
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they drink Saki at lunchtime in those days? Gabe.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-80s-Tokai-Goldstar-Sound-Stratocaster-Strat-/151380539478?pt=Guitar&hash=item233efbb856 More mismatched body and neck codes. Gabe.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Tokai Gakki Co.Lltd, the first digits represent month, the digits after ?=? express a lot number.

Assuming that the codes are added, when the individual component was produced, rather than to the complete instrument.
And given the modular nature of production techniques, an individual neck may have been produced at a given time, then stored for a period of time before being paired with a body (from another time period?) to create a complete guitar.
(Inspired by comments from another thread and website)

Makes me think, the codes don?t have to match (not even close) for the guitar to be all original.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup!

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22181&start=30
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Case closed?
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