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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Tone tips ~ tips on tone Reply with quote

Anybody ever try this?

http://www.stewmac.com/tsarchive/ts0182.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ts0182


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.... i thought that audio taper pots were the only solution
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is he connecting the clips to, the volume switch?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cashcow wrote:
What is he connecting the clips to, the volume switch?


Yes... the open lugs on the volume pot in the lower horn
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't mean to ask stupid questions Is that meant to be a permanent modification? Or is it just an example?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just a bit of solder.

I don't like this mod because the tonal changes when you lower the guitar volume knob can be very useful, especially when recording. That is part of what makes a Les Paul so versatile.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's a really good idea to try it with clips. I'm well aware of the circuit, but being lazy and crap at soldering i tend not to get round to doing it- but using clips means you can instantly try it both ways to compare, plus also try different values.

does he solder the components to the clips? Looks like they're just sorta crimped on to the end of the crocodile clips. if so, that'd be sweet.

Excellent find

Cali Girl wrote:
It's just a bit of solder.

I don't like this mod because the tonal changes when you lower the guitar volume knob can be very useful, especially when recording. That is part of what makes a Les Paul so versatile.


yeah for certain applications i prefer the effect of the treble bleed circuit like that one, but for others i prefer it without... i think, if you really cared, you could put it on a switch, though, to get the best of both worlds. But depending on how much room the guitar has for a switch, you might end up having to do without something else more useful (coil splits, say).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's great for a single volume pot... my custom shop reissue 65 strat is awful... I have NO sound from 1 to 6 on my volume... then it goes from loud at 8 to REALLY loud on 10. Need more audio taper and this little temporary, clip on mod is right what I'm looking for without replacing the period correct volume pot.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never tried this but it is just the well known treble bleed mod isn't it?

http://ratcliffe.co.za/articles/volumepot2.shtml

Previous posts on this forum recommended removing it as it sucked tone.

As I said never tried but it looks like the same mod to me.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ it is, just attached to clips it makes it easy to try to see if you like it or not. you could also (if you could be bothered) make up several different ones with different values and with slightly different circuits (capacitor only; capacitor and resistor in parallel; capacitor and resistor in series; also different values of the caps and resistors)- with subtle differences like that it's best to get to try them as close together as possible, and the alligator clips let you do that (as opposed to soldering which doesn't).

regarding whether it's better or worse- it depends on what you want. I don't think you could categorically say either method is better or worse. If you hate the way you lose highs when you turn down your volume control, then it's worth a try for sure. Sometimes it can be overkill and can sound thin, but it does work (50s wiring allegedly helps too, in a more subtle way, but i haven't tried that). Conversely, some players actually like how the tone darkens and actively use that darkening in their playing style... in that case, you're probably better off without the treble bleed circuit.

To clarify- I've only tried the simpler treble bleed circuits, with just a capacitor. but the principle is the same, just the ones with a resistor too are meant to be more natural-sounding (as i said above, a capacitor on its own can retain too many highs and thin out the sound if you're not careful).

EDIT: http://www.ratcliffe.co.za/articles/volumepot2.shtml

http://diy-fever.com/misc/guitar-wiring-101/#treble_bleed

http://guitarwiring.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/treble-bleed-mod.html

http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wiring&action=display&thread=5317

some good links there about treble bleed circuits (actually I have a feeling that that name is actually technically incorrect... it's probably more like a treble pass filter or something like that )

marcusnieman wrote:
I think it's great for a single volume pot... my custom shop reissue 65 strat is awful... I have NO sound from 1 to 6 on my volume... then it goes from loud at 8 to REALLY loud on 10. Need more audio taper and this little temporary, clip on mod is right what I'm looking for without replacing the period correct volume pot.


i'm not sure that'll work for your problem, marcus- that sounds more like a problem with the taper of your volume pot. this mod is to retain highs when you turn down the volume pot. I could well be wrong, of course, I'm no electronics guru, but I doubt it'd help. EDIT: in fact, according to some of those links i posted, some of the treble bleed circuits could actually make your pot taper even worse
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dave....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no problem marcus

i wonder if attaching a resistor to your volume pot might help (if you don't want to replace the pot)? Not sure, that's kinda getting beyond my pay grade
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave_Mc wrote:
no problem marcus

i wonder if attaching a resistor to your volume pot might help (if you don't want to replace the pot)? Not sure, that's kinda getting beyond my pay grade


Played a gig yesterday and I need to do something... hate that volume pot. It's either all or nothing the way it is now. I
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ yeah I mean replacing the pot is the thing that'll definitely work (as far as i'm aware... i've never actually had to swap a volume pot myself). if you get one that's a direct swap it'll be reversible, presumably...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found these all or nothing pots to be commonplace on vintage and many reissue guitars....hate em.
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