MK2: Keyio vs Gotoh

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MK2: Keyio vs Gotoh

Post by andrews » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:46 pm

Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried comparing modern Gotoh and Keyio made MK2 pickups? How do they differ?

Does anyone know their characteristics, like resonance peak, EQ and other technical information?

It's kind of uncool that Tokai does not tell, in their catalogues, which manufacturer's MK2 are in the guitars, so you don't actually know what pickups are in your guitar (unless you buy the cheapest or the most expensive model - then you can be sure, going by the rule that Keyio are in the lower end models and Gotoh are in the higher end ones).
There are people who claim that MK2 are very good, and there are others who claim they are not so good... That is natural and normal, but the funny thing is that they are probably talking about different pickups, but some of them don't know that, because they all are "Vintage PAF MK2" in the catalogues. So has anyone compared both and maybe come to some conclusions?

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Post by dombat » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:06 am

going by the rule that Keyio are in the lower end models and Gotoh are in the higher end ones
I think it's the opposite: the metal braided Keyio are (were) in higher end models than the Gotoh green and yellow wires

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Post by andrews » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:14 am

I myself have got the 98 model and it's a metal-braided wire (like in this picture: http://a.imageshack.us/img152/8781/medi ... tokais.jpg)

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Post by dombat » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:39 am

Your pickup is a Keyio.
Which mfg year is your guitar?
The keyio DC are around 7.5K for the neck and 11k for the bridge
The Gotoh are around 8K neck and bridge

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Post by luis » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:37 am

Keiyo make Tokai MK-II after 2005 or around.Befor that time(it could be 2003 top butnot verified 100%) MK-II were made by Gotoh as far as Gotoh made Reborn and LS series pickups, a model called Tokai '57 if I remember correctly. There were Tokai MK-III(LS-60&65 2002/2003) and IV(korean models).Have to check for Keiyo 2005 pickups,I geuss I had pics somewhere but not here.
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Post by settebello » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:17 am

dombat wrote:Your pickup is a Keyio.
Which mfg year is your guitar?
The keyio DC are around 7.5K for the neck and 11k for the bridge
The Gotoh are around 8K neck and bridge
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Post by andrews » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:10 am

Tokai sells MK2 pickups separately, but only one model: http://www1.odn.ne.jp/tokaigakki/produc ... s/mk2.html

It has a metal-braided wire, so it looks like my Keyio pickup. Is it Keyio that Tokai sell currenty?


I'm a little confused: so do they make Gotoh MK2 nowadays and put them in to higher end models?

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Post by DaveWW » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:07 am

These MkIIs are from my 2004 LS125 SEB and are now fitted into my 1980 LP Navigator. They are one of my all time favourite pickups. Anyone know for definite whether they are Gotoh or Keiyo....?

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Post by luis » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:29 pm

Tokai advertised MKII as Keiyo made.

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Post by andrews » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:20 am

My are exactly like those that DaveWW posted. Mine bridge is also around 11,5k.

Here is the info I found in the other threads:
"I definetly prefer Gotoh ones (neck about 7ohms and bridge 8ohms vs Keyio's 8/12+ ohms)" ( http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=130779#130779 )
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Post by andrews » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:21 am

But I wish that someone who has tried them both commented on them, compared their sound, other specifications other than output.

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Post by Paladin2019 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:26 am

Do you like they way they sound? If yes, no problem. If no, change them.

People think about this sort of thing WAY too much.

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Post by DaveWW » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:03 am

Well these are my guitars at the tokai convention

The LS125SEB with the tokai MkIIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICYpA4zr ... o5OUpUBwSu

and my 1980 Navigator with the exact same MkIIs. Sold the SEB but took the pickups out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRd-Gsx ... G_nJelO3Ck

The videos don't really do the sound justice but the pickups sound much better in the Navigator. The guitar (and your fingers) has more to do with it than a lot of people think.


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Post by andrews » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:28 am

Paladin2019 wrote:Do you like they way they sound? If yes, no problem. If no, change them.
I already changed them to Seyour Duncan and I won't be buying MK2, but I'm kind of a nerd, I like to find the truth just to know it. I just want to know what is it what people mean when they praise MK2 - is it really the same pickup that I heard and didn't like that much, or is it actually a different thing...

Paladin2019 wrote:If no, change them.
That is an other problem. It's rather hard to choose the right pickups without first hearing them in the same settings that I hear the ones I am changing, so at least some of the technical information, like on Seymour Duncan website, would have helped. Also, I still want that information so that I could understand what makes the difference that I hear.

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Post by DaveWW » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:33 am

andrews wrote:But I wish that someone who has tried them both commented on them, compared their sound, other specifications other than output.
Well you have your answer to that question now anyway.

Luis, thanks for your input. I guess these mark IIs are Keiyo. I think I prefer them to the very old Gotohs I had in my 1980 LS80GT but as I said it's really hard to make comparisons because the guitar affects the tone so much. As paladin said. If you like em use em.....


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