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Looking for some help Identifying this Tokai guitar
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jacco
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indeed..
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, still a little confused.

The OP's guitar headstock has what I see as an "extra" dimple and a diamond truss, whereas mine has one like a Gibson and a bell cover.

As they are both 1985 what is the difference model number wise - or is mine a UK export Model, and the other a US or European export model?

here is mine as posted:



and OP with extra bit in the dimple:

https://picasaweb.google.com/100378763801244673035/TokaiLesPaul#5578914141639683202

arghhh

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yours is the normal non export model
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jakko.

Learned a lot today!

So is the difference between LS50 and 60 most likely plain maple top and flamed maple-veneer top?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spec's varied, and it depended as well on the country of purchase etc, plus the catalogues don't list everything but yes for that year LS60 was listed as a flame top.

http://www.tokairegistry.com/images/catalogs/tokai8514.jpg

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant, thanks Dave!

So I have an LS50 from 1985 that was purchased in the UK by me a few years later new in a shop in Chichester who declared that they had had it in stock for a few years.

It "may" be one of a few with a solid back - very hard to tell.

All these little differences are hard to keep up with - especially when reading post's that are not always clear in which country the guitar or poster reside - which has a lot of import as to the specs.

I like it here.

Barks

ps, Peter, hope I have not derailed your initial question too much, but the responses may have helped both of us!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem, the only other thing is yours has double ring deluxe tuners. The double ring are normally only found on the older reborn series. Did you change them?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave,

Yes I replaced them in the mid 90's when the back "pinged" off one of the originals on a gig.
The Schallers were the only ones available at the time that looked correct.
I still have 5 of the originals.

I mentioned it here:

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17818&highlight=

...as its was when the repairman discovered the full headstock mop laminate. The new tuners needed to have the hole drilled out as they have securing nuts.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points made above. Most LS-80's and some LS-60's were flame tops beginning in 1984. The Bell TRC is not original to 1985 models, might be from a reborn like the tuners..
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reborn Old wrote:
Good points made above. Most LS-80's and some LS-60's were flame tops beginning in 1984. The Bell TRC is not original to 1985 models, might be from a reborn like the tuners..


Interesting as I never replaced the TRC, and the shop had the guitar in its stock unsold for a number of years.
Why would they just change that part?
The catalogue link posted by Dave above seems to show the 1985 models with Bell TRC's.

I've also already mentioned that I changed the tuners - and still have 5 of the originals.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barks67 wrote:


Interesting as I never replaced the TRC, and the shop had the guitar in its stock unsold for a number of years.
Why would they just change that part?
The catalogue link posted by Dave above seems to show the 1985 models with Bell TRC's.
barks

I can't see the TRCs clearly in the 1985 catalog linked above even at 400% magnification, so I won't comment. Perhaps Tokai used left over Reborn TRCs in 1985 ? I looked at about a dozen 1985's I have on file and most have the TRC that is pointed at both ends found on most Love Rocks from 1980 to 1998. It' not a big deal, as both appear to be Tokai TRCs anyway. I personally prefer the Reborn bell shaped TRC
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did a little digging and it seems the diamond type and extra dimple was to appease the Gibson legalities of the North American market around this time.

Maybe Tokai could get away with the Bell TRC on the Gibson type headstock in the UK...

Anybody?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your's was probably one of the last in UK before the dimple was introduced in the UK. Or the shop imported it directly themselves from Japan. The dimple in the UK still exists to this day.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everybody. Very illuminating for me. Always nice to have a little uniqueness thrown in - as they develop their little histories.

Its funny to think that the classic Les Pauls were being revered when they were about 10 years old. Here we are talking about guitars around 25 years old or so.

I will still have all these guitars in 20 years!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barks67 wrote:
i did a little digging and it seems the diamond type and extra dimple was to appease the Gibson legalities of the North American market around this time.

Maybe Tokai could get away with the Bell TRC on the Gibson type headstock in the UK...

Anybody?
cheers

Dimple headstocks are for UK + Korea markets only
Possibly for some UK Love Rocks shipped with bell TRCs, but open book Japan models had pointed TRCs for the most part, as does Brandei's UK 1985 LS model in the first post..
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