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Random Gecko
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Loose fitting tune-o-matic? Reply with quote

Hey guys

So the tune-o-matic on my LS85F is a bit loose fitting. I have the guitar top wrapped but it seems like sometimes when I bend, I can hear the tune-o-matic slightly moving on it's posts. I loosened the strings to see what was going on and it's not really the snuggest fit on the posts so I guess this is it.

Any fix for this or is it something you gotta live with? Any aftermarket units of better fit or would I need to replace the entire assembly, including the posts?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Loose fitting tune-o-matic? Reply with quote

Random Gecko wrote:


Any fix for this


Yes, stop top wrapping.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well people have been top wrapping since the LP first appeared, so maybe he needs a better fitting bridge setup.

It's true that the pressure of the string tension is mainly what keeps the bridge in one place, but top wrapping doesn't really reduce it that much.

You got the tailpiece right down on the top?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JVsearch wrote:
Well people have been top wrapping since the LP first appeared, so maybe he needs a better fitting bridge setup.

It's true that the pressure of the string tension is mainly what keeps the bridge in one place, but top wrapping doesn't really reduce it that much.

You got the tailpiece right down on the top?


I top wrap

Are the posts abit worn?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JVsearch wrote:
Well people have been top wrapping since the LP first appeared,


Guitarists aren't people.
People are normal, guitarists are insane.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might want to try heavier strings (more tension, more tone)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:
JVsearch wrote:
Well people have been top wrapping since the LP first appeared,


Guitarists aren't people.
People are normal, guitarists are insane.


Heh heh heh...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tailpiece is all the way on the body.

marcusnieman wrote:
Might want to try heavier strings (more tension, more tone)


I'm using 11s.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Random Gecko wrote:
Tailpiece is all the way on the body.

marcusnieman wrote:
Might want to try heavier strings (more tension, more tone)


I'm using 11s.



Hmm.... send some pics of the bridge, posts, tailpiece etc. That might shed a clue
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still thinking that the studs might be worn/too small.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that what your experiencing with your tail piece has nothing to do with the studs or posts.The tension of the strings will take up any slack in the studs by forcing the posts forwards slightly.The main problem with loose posts is the loss of tone. My suggestion is look at the saddles ,you'll probably find that the slots have never been cut for the correct gauge string. Obviously if the strings wider than the slot it could rock and slip , not to mention tuning problems, loss of tone and sustain. Also check the saddles sit squarely in the bridge. Hope this helps

Oh yeah STOP top wrapping ,it has no benefits.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N.E 7ok'll Do wrote:

Oh yeah STOP top wrapping ,it has no benefits.


Maybe not with lighter strings but I can tell you for a fact that with 11's on it, they are easier to bend and feel slinkier than when strung thru the tailpiece.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
N.E 7ok'll Do wrote:

Oh yeah STOP top wrapping ,it has no benefits.


Maybe not with lighter strings but I can tell you for a fact that with 11's on it, they are easier to bend and feel slinkier than when strung thru the tailpiece.


It does has benifits. I use 10's and I bend alot more than thru tailpiece.

Don't tell someone what to do with their guitar. You wouldn't say to Hendrix play a right handed guitar, or tell Kerry King to stop using a kahler...

Or even to Joe Bonamassa... he top wraps.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
marcusnieman wrote:
N.E 7ok'll Do wrote:

Oh yeah STOP top wrapping ,it has no benefits.


Maybe not with lighter strings but I can tell you for a fact that with 11's on it, they are easier to bend and feel slinkier than when strung thru the tailpiece.


It does has benifits. I use 10's and I bend alot more than thru tailpiece.

Don't tell someone what to do with their guitar. You wouldn't say to Hendrix play a right handed guitar, or tell Kerry King to stop using a kahler...

Or even to Joe Bonamassa... he top wraps.



My comments are not intended to offend or tell someone what they should do with their guitars.
The word "don't" was obviously the wrong word to use.
I was under the impression that the point of a forum was to reply to another's question with an opinion that may or may not be considered by the author of the original post.
After 20+ years of repairs and set-ups for other guitarists I thought I'd share some of the knowledge I've acquired.
Some may agree with me, some not. Just because a guitar legend does something ,is it right ???
Obviously right for them but not for another (Fender or Gibson, USA or MIJ, 9's against 10's or 11's) ?
It's up to the individual to make the choice.
Anyway, my apologies if I have offended anyone on the forum with my opinions, that was not my intention ,only to help.
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