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warxy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:15 am    Post subject: My new Tokai :) Reply with quote

Paid on friday and it arrived in the afternoon today. It was packed extremely well and the seller was very easy to talk to.
LS98F lemon drop, such a gorgeous! Well to me it is
I weighted it and it was 4.4kg, whats the typical way of a LP or Tokai LS?
Gotta get used to the neck though, always played my Ibanez and i have quite small hands. Too bad they sold the last one without the pickguard installed. Plugged it into my Line6 X3, didnt sound quite like anything ive imagine, might have to fiddle with the settings little bit. I might change the pickups later on after i play with it for a bit more.

I wanna thank those who gave me lots of pointers on the thread (you know who you are ) .

Gonna put in some locking strap and new strings, oil the neck a bit and all that.

The questions now are: pickguard on or off? Wrap strings around tail piece? Im thinking about changing the tail piece to one of those aluminum ones cause they enhance clarity? or do i need to change the bridge as well?








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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats - lovely guitar. Lemon Drop - best colour IMHO

Don't worry about the neck. Lots of people say that at first but they very soon get used to, and even start preferring, the wide neck.

You'll get lot's of opinions about hardware and changes but I'd say leave it as it is for a while. It doesn't really need any mod's. Once you've got to know it maybe a faber locking bridge and tailpiece or similar but they're quite pricey for the very small improvement they make. I don't like the wrap over bridges but each to his own. As far as the pickgaurd goes I say leave it off

You've got a really nice guitar there and your probably better off investing in a decent small valve amp if you want to get the best out of it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet - very nice looking guitar. To echo whats been said above, I wouldn't go changing anything yet, all stock it will be extremely good as it is - though you will undoubtedly need to change amp settings that worked for a different guitar. Ditto the neck, give it a couple of days and the Ibanez neck will fell too small and weedy
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warxy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveWW wrote:
Congrats - lovely guitar. Lemon Drop - best colour IMHO

haha thank you! Lemon drop seems to look much better in person, the picture on the tokai website is a very dark lemon drop and i thought i would had got some thing like that. Lucky that i got it like the one i have now, a lighter colour.

DaveWW wrote:

Don't worry about the neck. Lots of people say that at first but they very soon get used to, and even start preferring, the wide neck.

Im not sure about the width yet, Ibanez have wider necks i would assume? Its really the thickness im talking about but i hope i will get used to it.

DaveWW wrote:

You'll get lot's of opinions about hardware and changes but I'd say leave it as it is for a while. It doesn't really need any mod's. Once you've got to know it maybe a faber locking bridge and tailpiece or similar but they're quite pricey for the very small improvement they make. I don't like the wrap over bridges but each to his own. As far as the pickgaurd goes I say leave it off

Im sure there will be alot of opinions on changing hardwares, how much does these parts cost anyway? I dont actually have any idea. Ive always heard about locking bridge and tail piece and all that but never actually knew how they work, dont mind explain them to me?
Anyway, i will change strings tomorrow so i will have a play around with the pickguard, but i dont know how much i can take the screw holes if i decide that it looks good with the pickguard off. Hope the mojos wont run out from them.

Oh another thing is, im thinking about taking the pickup covers off. Not sure how that will look. Do you just take those 6 screws off to remove the cover?

DaveWW wrote:

You've got a really nice guitar there and your probably better off investing in a decent small valve amp if you want to get the best out of it.

Dave

Yep, im saving up now for one of those Blackstar HT-5, stacks or combo Apparently they are very good? I remember playing one of those in a shop and it sounded very nice, with a wide range of sound that you can achieve. That ISF thing they talk about actually works very well i think. but i dont know if it will be loud enough as i am joining a youth band soon, well hopefully. What amp would you recommend?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

warxy wrote:
...Oh another thing is, im thinking about taking the pickup covers off. Not sure how that will look. Do you just take those 6 screws off to remove the cover?


No, you have to remove the whole pickup and unsolder the cover from the pickup base plate.
There will be a fat blob of solder on each of the long sides that are used to join the bottom edge of the cover to the edge of the base plate.
The screws are used as pole pieces on one of the two humbucker coils, and they go through the middle of the coils and screw all the way out the bottom of the base plate.
Removing them will not release the cover.

The other humbucker coil has metal poles that look like the pole pieces on a Strat pickup, but on a covered humbucker they are concealed by the cover.

But you can easily remove the cover if you have a soldering iron.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JVsearch wrote:

No, you have to remove the whole pickup and unsolder the cover from the pickup base plate.
There will be a fat blob of solder on each of the long sides that are used to join the bottom edge of the cover to the edge of the base plate.

ahhhh, sounds like quite some work if i dont like what it will turn out to be.

JVsearch wrote:

Removing them will not release the cover..

So i wont need to unscrew those screws?

JVsearch wrote:

But you can easily remove the cover if you have a soldering iron.

Yeah, my dad has one somewhere. I dont know if could be bothered to do that now since now it involves a soldering iron, are them pickups all black?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice guitar there, I am happy to see you got a nice one.
Just a couple of things:

-If the pickups are sounding a little weak, see if you can raise them up to be closer to the strings. From the picture it looks like they are still pretty low. The bridge pickup can be as close as a couple of mm from the strings when you fret at the last fret.
The neck pickup should be a bit farther away, but tust your ears. There is usually a sweet spot where you will find you have enough response and "the sound"

- if you want to take the pickup covers off but dont want to use a soldering iron, get a box-cutter (xacto knife, whatever it is called) and cut the solder joint. Either way will work, but if you don't have a good soldering iron you may have some trouble melting the bond.

Anyway, above all, play the guitar..


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great looking guitar. Aluminium tailpiece is probably a good idea.

+1 on adjusting pickup heights before deciding whether to take the covers off.

I got to play a little blackstar combo the other day with my Tokai and it sounded damn good.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the pickups are all black under the covers......but it was a while ago and I refitted aged covers last time I did it and can't be sure. I'm coming around to the view like most people, I think, that the pickups look better with the covers on....

+2 or 3 about removing the covers. Unless you've got a good soldering iron it's harder than you think. The large mass of the pickups tends to conduct all the heat and can make it hard to get them off.

Only thing i'd change now is the TRC. Bell shaped covers look much nicer

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice..... I'd play it a bit before you start swapping parts out. That way you'll hear any perceivable difference better.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveWW wrote:
I think the pickups are all black under the covers......but it was a while ago and I refitted aged covers last time I did it and can't be sure. I'm coming around to the view like most people, I think, that the pickups look better with the covers on....

+2 or 3 about removing the covers. Unless you've got a good soldering iron it's harder than you think. The large mass of the pickups tends to conduct all the heat and can make it hard to get them off...


Yeah, I should have said something about that - you need an iron with around 80 watts power, a 40 watt circuit board type iron will do what Dave said.
It can't heat the solder quick enough to melt it with all the heat conducting into the base plate and cover.

Cutting the solder joint is a good idea! Then there's no temptation to bend the sides of the covers outwards to separate the solder joint, and it would be easy to re-solder the covers back if you want.
Smart, I like it, thanks wulfman!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-If the pickups are sounding a little weak, see if you can raise them up to be closer to the strings. From the picture it looks like they are still pretty low. The bridge pickup can be as close as a couple of mm from the strings when you fret at the last fret.
The neck pickup should be a bit farther away, but tust your ears. There is usually a sweet spot where you will find you have enough response and "the sound"

It wasnt that the pickups were too weak, they just sounded quite different to what i was expecting. I will fiddle with the pickup height anyway. Wouldnt rising the bridge pickup like this kills a lot of the sustain? :S

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I got to play a little blackstar combo the other day with my Tokai and it sounded damn good.

Ive done some research about the amp today, and apparently it doesnt have that natural break up when you pick harder like you would get on a typical valve amp(possibly due to the solidstate component in the amp). Otherwise, its a very good rock out amp.

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Very nice..... I'd play it a bit before you start swapping parts out. That way you'll hear any perceivable difference better.

That sounds like a good idea marcus

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I think the pickups are all black under the covers......but it was a while ago and I refitted aged covers last time I did it and can't be sure. I'm coming around to the view like most people, I think, that the pickups look better with the covers on....

Personal reference i would say, i guess taking the covers wont look too good if youre right about them being all black. hmmmmm, zebra colour pickups
anyway, think i will leave the pickup covers for now.

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Great looking guitar. Aluminium tailpiece is probably a good idea.

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Only thing i'd change now is the TRC. Bell shaped covers look much nicer

ahahahaha, i knew someone's gonna say something about the TRC
But guys, where is a good place for getting all these parts? tail piece, bell shape TRC and all that.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely guitar.

My advice, and IMO, don't change a thing, don't tailwrap, and definitely don't take the covers off the pickups.



Have a Happy Christmas and New Year, guys.
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warxy
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Diamond, i will leave all the things you mentioned alone for now. Took the pickguard off btw, looks much better for the moment.

Took it to a very good guitar tech yesterday (Perry Ormsby if anyone knows) and gave it a good setup and fret leveling. Now the guitar plays like butter and the sustain is just pure awesome

Anyway, i think i will put a momentary kill switch into the guitar soon, i just love all the cool things you get to do with one. I know you can achieve the same effect with the toggle but i would like both pickups to be on as well as being able to use the effect.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are a nice looking guitar.

So, how much did it cost, all up, including the fret level, etc?
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