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prudd
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject: Ebay alert Reply with quote

I suspect a lot of you have already seen this one.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280547118415&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

The guy is insisting this is a Japanese guitar, looks Korean to me.
He states that any "idiot" can come on this "fan site" and express their opinion "as if it were fact"
Any "idiots" among you want to comment on where this guitar was made!
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settebello
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q: Hi, could you please tell me if the guitar has made in japan in black ink printed on the back of the neck, and also the the serial number, thanks, Paul
A: Hi the serial number on the back of headstock is FC0600740, more photos to follow today

Check the serialnumber,its chinese.

Volker
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just sent him the following PM - let's see if he posts it in the advert....

Hi, a 3 screw truss rod cover, a serial number beginning with FC, and no MADE IN JAPAN on the back of the headstock means that it's definitely made in China. If you don't believe me, check with Tokai UK, or with Richtone, the UK's leading Tokai dealer. If you bought that guitar as Japanese, you have been conned. Maybe if you had checked with the "idiots" on the Tokai forum before you bought it, you would have learned how to tell Chinese from Japanese guitars. If you deliberately claim it to be Japanese when you know it isn't, you are conning people as badly as you seem to have been conned when you bought it. Is that fair?

I suspect he won't!
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prudd
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

settebello wrote:
Q: Hi, could you please tell me if the guitar has made in japan in black ink printed on the back of the neck, and also the the serial number, thanks, Paul
A: Hi the serial number on the back of headstock is FC0600740, more photos to follow today

Check the serialnumber,its chinese.

Volker


I sent that question to him, knowing it wasnt Japanese, I thought it would good for prospective bidders to see that his made in Japan claim was in doubt. Other questions followed, but he is still maintains its Japanese.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seller's reply to me:

Firstly the sites you refer to are not "official", secondly anyone can type infomation onto this website (idiots included) and it is displayed as gospel (please note I'm not saying everyone who types onto it is a idiot)! Thirdly the "three screws" on headstock rod adjustment argument is so silly I am at pains to understand how you could believe it? Do you seriously believe Tokia make only "two screw" rod adjustment covers exclusively for their japanese models?

I gave him the Tokai UK website address so he can ask Bob. But maybe he considers Bob to be as much of an idiot as we all are?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think,he know what he sells.No one can ignore the serialnumber.
And i'm sure it says made in china on the back of the headstock.

Volker
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JVsearch
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinese made guitar, absolutely no doubt about that. I mean, if it isn't a Chinese Tokai then it must be a fake...

New price is what, about 300 quid? It's getting close to a reasonable used price already - these LPs are plentiful and have nothing special about them by way of wood or parts.
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Jockai
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i tried to explain it to him as well .......

but just got a very shirty response ......

i'm glad he got conned.....he deserves it !!!

we'll see how much it goes for .....

but i have a feeling it will mysteriosly dissapear before bidding ends
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jacco
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I bought it new from a guy who is in europes leading thin lizzy tribute act, who asured me it had had its frets shaved


So he bought it new from a guy in a band?

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Sadly I have hardly had the chance to ever play this guitar due to having a hyper active young daughter, therefore the guitar has remained boxed at all times so shes not been able to destroy it yet!


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This guitar is Japanese! No one who has ever touched it has thought otherwise!


So he bought a new guitar, it has been boxed ever since and all the people that have touched the guitar think it's Japanese, this is amazing

and still there's people bidding
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JohnA
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On 12-Aug-10 at 22:13:56 BST, seller added the following information:

I have had a couple of people email me and say that they have been on the "Tokai Registry website" and that this guitar is a korean guitar. The Tokai Registry is NOT an offical site of tokai nor is it endorsed by Tokai in any way! It's a fan site where any idiot can express opinion as if it were fact. As far as I am aware guitars made in Korea have no serial number on them whatsoever, the Japanese models are of a far superior quality I have played on korean/chinese tokai's and they are not the same as this, in terms of body weight a japanese tokia will weigh more than a modern gibson les paul, they weigh the same as a proper high quality 1950s gibson giving the guitar the distinctive note sustain, if you could compare this guitar to a chinese/korean model you would see the the build quality of this tokai is first class and in a different league than its cheaper siblings! Please note Tokai do not have any official information regarding the classification of their older electric guitars particularly during and and shortly after the "lawsuit era" they got very muddled regarding numbering systems. This guitar is Japanese! No one who has ever touched it has thought otherwise! Also many of the older japanese tokais were actually assembled in china due to cheaper labour!

'anyone can type infomation onto this website (idiots included)'


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone can type infomation into an eBay ad (idiots included)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
On 12-Aug-10 at 22:13:56 BST, seller added the following information:

This guitar is Japanese! No one who has ever touched it has thought otherwise! Also many of the older japanese tokais were actually assembled in china due to cheaper labour!



Somehow that argument seems to be short of something logical or factual to me. Then again I'm sure there are folks out there in ebayland who are delighted to read that load of old cobblers and rush to buy with confidence
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caveat Emptor
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guitarslinger
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Dear - i really hope the person(s) bidding on this know what they are in to. This is pretty bad. I mean - most of the time it's honest mistakes - but this chap is rather belligerent isn't he?!
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