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Plaintop LS150 vs. Flametop/Sunburst UK LS150
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Justin Connolly
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:22 am    Post subject: Plaintop LS150 vs. Flametop/Sunburst UK LS150 Reply with quote

What quality difference does the Plaintop LS150 have over/against the same model Flametop (or UK Sunburst model)? Also, are not the finishes the same? Some people claim the Plaintop LS150 is the best of (at least) the LS150 line. Why?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same guitar except one is a Flametop and one a Plaintop.

Both nitro finished, same specs, same quality.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people prefer plaintops and some don't like veneer . Some even think veneer alters the tone lol. It's robbery due to the early flametops being solid. You only get a solid flametop now on the very high end guitars. I
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Historically, he plaintop LS150 is reminiscent of the 1958 Les Paul..... which I believe were mostly plaintops. The flames really showed up in 1959 (I might be wrong about that but I think it's right). Me, I prefer plaintops:

LS150






Les Paul Reborn LS60

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveWW wrote:
Some people prefer plaintops and some don't like veneer . Some even think veneer alters the tone lol. It's robbery due to the early flametops being solid. You only get a solid flametop now on the very high end guitars. I


I'm confused here. Are the UK spec LS150s veneered?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jawilluk wrote:
DaveWW wrote:
Some people prefer plaintops and some don't like veneer . Some even think veneer alters the tone lol. It's robbery due to the early flametops being solid. You only get a solid flametop now on the very high end guitars. I


I'm confused here. Are the UK spec LS150s veneered?


The flametops are
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LS150 UK = solid top not veneered
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: LS-150 Finish Reply with quote

I could be wrong but going on high-resolution pics it seems the UK LS-150s are (heavily veneered). Not an expert on finishes but it would seem the Plaintops are more "natural" in finish. My UK model seems heavily veneered (below):

Pic1 (of 2):


and:

Pic2 (of 2):


Only God and Tokai know how much of that laquer stuff is poly and how much is nitro on the UK LS-150 models. Those pics suggest the finish on the UK models is just way too heavy. Maybe their Marketing department got carried away with the "gloss is sexy" concept and therefore sells so just go for it. Completely unnecessary and unwanted from a musician's perspective.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: LS-150 Veneer Reply with quote

Note entire left section and huge smudge in top right of the guitar.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: LS-150 Finish Reply with quote

Justin Connolly wrote:
I could be wrong but going on high-resolution pics it seems the UK LS-150s are (heavily veneered). Not an expert on finishes but it would seem the Plaintops are more "natural" in finish. My UK model seems heavily veneered (below):



Sorry Justin, but are you talking about veneer or finish(poly/nitro)?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: LS-150 Finish Reply with quote

jawilluk wrote:
Justin Connolly wrote:
I could be wrong but going on high-resolution pics it seems the UK LS-150s are (heavily veneered). Not an expert on finishes but it would seem the Plaintops are more "natural" in finish. My UK model seems heavily veneered (below):



Sorry Justin, but are you talking about veneer or finish(poly/nitro)?


Yeah... my thought too. "Heavily veneered" doesn't make sense from a front on view.

A veneer (also know in other situations as a veneer finished surface) is actually a thin sheet of flamed maple toping that is adhered to the solid top (plain?) cap - simply for aesthitic, flame top appearance without being solid.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: LS-150 Finish Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:

A veneer (also know in other situations as a veneer finished surface) is actually a thin sheet of flamed maple toping that is adhered to the solid top (plain?) cap - simply for aesthitic, flame top appearance without being solid.


"Flame AAA Maple Cap - 2 Piece" says the specs of LS150 UK(?). If it was veneer top, it would propably be LS150F.

http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/guitars-1/electric-guitars-2/tokai-love-rock-ls150-electric-guitar-hdc-1261.html

Those babies really define the term clown burst though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:18 am    Post subject: LS-150 finish Reply with quote

Yes, I was running with two different points there. I'd always wondered why the heavy laquer (poly/nitro) smudges were applied on these guitars. The finish (coating) is a little heavy and uneven in places in comparison to the Plaintop. Just wondered why?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: LS-150 Finish Reply with quote

Justin Connolly wrote:
I could be wrong but going on high-resolution pics it seems the UK LS-150s are (heavily veneered). Not an expert on finishes but it would seem the Plaintops are more "natural" in finish. My UK model seems heavily veneered (below):

Pic1 (of 2):


and:

Pic2 (of 2):


Only God and Tokai know how much of that laquer stuff is poly and how much is nitro on the UK LS-150 models. Those pics suggest the finish on the UK models is just way too heavy. Maybe their Marketing department got carried away with the "gloss is sexy" concept and therefore sells so just go for it. Completely unnecessary and unwanted from a musician's perspective.


Only G-d and Tokai know???

Actually many of us here also know, and Tokai definitely know.

If the model description says AAA then obviously it's not a veneer.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re. LS-150 finish Reply with quote

No need to be an arrogant dickhe*d about it. The forum is for questions, sharing information and those seeking clarification. I just want to know more about the finish on the guitar. If you're struggling to be mature and can't contribute in a positive manner then p*ss off!
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