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1981 Silver Star SS40
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neoh1977
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: 1981 Silver Star SS40 Reply with quote

Hi! i'd just acquired this 81 SS40. Despite the quite bad condition of the body, i actually love the neck feel. Please help me to identify the originality of the guitar especially pickups as i remember most Silver Stars have grey bobbin but this one has black's one. I couldn't find any stamp/sticker inside body cavity. I need helps on identification of this guitar.
Headstock serial shows 81 model
Wood shim inside neck pocket, looks original
Neck pocket
Body routing shape
Pickguard underside - black bobbin pickups

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi. That's confusing. The pickup routs are squared off in a way I haven't seen on a Tokai body before - both the SSs I have had had the usual rounded pickup routs. And, as you said, most SSs had the grey backed pickups. It's hard to identify the pickups from the pics you posted, but I suspect they have been changed.

It would help to know a little more, such as where you are, & where the guitar came from.

Mike
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settebello
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a Greco body with a Tokai neck.
http://imageevent.com/chingo123/may2010/grecose600white5229

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neoh1977
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Hi. That's confusing. The pickup routs are squared off in a way I haven't seen on a Tokai body before - both the SSs I have had had the usual rounded pickup routs. And, as you said, most SSs had the grey backed pickups. It's hard to identify the pickups from the pics you posted, but I suspect they have been changed.

It would help to know a little more, such as where you are, & where the guitar came from.

Mike


Yes Mike, i used to own a silverstar before and the body route was also different than this one. I'm from Malaysia and this SS i got from a guy thru philipine as they imported directly from Japan. Now i believe it's a Greco body with Tokai neck as per settebello said..
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neoh1977
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

settebello wrote:
Looks like a Greco body with a Tokai neck.
http://imageevent.com/chingo123/may2010/grecose600white5229

Volker


Thanks for your valuable link attached. Now i'm more assured that this is greco body. I did own a greco super power strat and saw the pickup route in square shape as well as the small route near the neck joint. The only question is does Tokai use Greco left-over body or it's been swapped by previous owner..the neck-body joint seems original except the placement of 2 thin wood shim to match the neck height. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

neoh1977 wrote:
the neck-body joint seems original except the placement of 2 thin wood shim to match the neck height. Thanks!


Why would they use a shim? The point of the tilt neck mechanism is that it saves having to use shims.

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neoh1977
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
neoh1977 wrote:
the neck-body joint seems original except the placement of 2 thin wood shim to match the neck height. Thanks!


Why would they use a shim? The point of the tilt neck mechanism is that it saves having to use shims.



yes i agree with you. i was about to remove that shim until i saw the tip of the tilt is at the same level of the wood shim so i decided to leave it.
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Peter Mac
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I personally think the body is not Tokai at all.

From the pics, I would say some-one has put a Tokai neck on a cheap body. The route is all wrong, the hole between neck pickup and neck pocket (Tokai didn't have them), the absence of the body code and the tilt-a-matic disc all adds up to say NOT ORIGINAL.

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moto
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats the serial number??
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muccax
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi
the body looks like a greco body from before 1980 .... i got a greco body from 1979 and it looks just like this body ,,,,
all the best
otto
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1

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rayq78
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 1981 Silver Star SS40 Reply with quote

Looks Frankensteined to me... Body looks different... see mine for confirmation... =)

beside my battered Jazzmaster...


notice the neck cavity curves... and "OW..." stamps at pickup cavity....




i hope this helps...

just want to share... refin 1966 Fender Jazzmaster..."reliced"



For Jazzmaster details...click..

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,180407.msg2465683.html#msg2465683
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK rayq78, I think I can match your pics.

1980 SS60:




1966 Jaguar (refinished, I believe)



I have no idea what kind of weird drugs Leo must have taken in order to reach the conclusion that the Jag was an improvement on the Strat.
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rayq78
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea what kind of weird drugs Leo must have taken in order to reach the conclusion that the Jag was an improvement on the Strat. [/quote]

I agree to you stratman... =) Still my favorite is my 7okai...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that image Marcus!

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