How do 70s Ibanez gibson copies compare to Jap Tokai?

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Were they made by the same people? Which one is worth more in today's market, a japanese Tokai 335 copy or an Ibanez one? Les Paul?
I'm particularly interested in the 335 copies myself.

Anyone tried both 70s Ibanez 335 copies and Tokai Japanese copies?

thanks!
 
I have several Ibanez copies from the 70's. These guitars were very well put together and most of the Archtops were hand finished. Above all they sound great. You must remember that Ibanez went through the courts with Gibbo in the 70?s so were forced to stop their replica production. So who knows what they would have come up with if they had carried on producing copies?

At that time, Ibanez were copying the guitars that Gibbo were making in the 70?s. In fact, I have a CSL catalogue that shows pictures of Ibanez copies that are in fact Gibbo?s with the logo blocked out (a CSL rep told me at the time). Also there were different ranges available to fit peoples pockets. For example, fixed and bolt neck Les Pauls, SG?s. In fact the fixed neck 2345 Ivory finished 3 pickup SG Custom that Ibanez made in the 70?s was a terrific copy of a 62? Gibbo. Same with the 2387 Rocket Roll (?V?) and the 2459 Destroyer models (?EXP?).

I would say that Tokai went further and redefined the whole concept of 'copying'. In my personal opinion, Tokai were able to reproduce guitars from the "golden" era. Namely the planks that Gibbo and Leo were producing back in the late 50's, early 60's. When Tokai hit the streets here, they filled a gap in the market that no one else was getting right. We all wanted vintage guitars but couldn't afford them. Tokai made that possible and they made them **** good and extremely accurate too. No question. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've never played a bad Tokai in 20 years and the Tokai 335 rep is the Daddy of them all.

At the death, I'd go for a Tokai Love Rock and a Tokai 335 but you would probably pay more for one of these than an Ibanez. Don't think they were made in the same factory though.
 
hi guys,

try this quick test.

The Ibanez LP's with bolt-on necks do not have solid tops, only an arched veneer that is hollow underneath.
To prove this point, tap the top just behind the tailpiece with the face of your fingernail. The sound is unmistakenly hollow. Try it with a Tokai, Fernandes or even an Epiphone or Gibson and you'll get quite a different sound.

Peter
 
The ibanez quality depends largely on the year and model though, right? I've heard that 1973-1975 (just before lawsuit) saw some really good Ibanez copies. It was apparently Ibanez's goal to be the best copy brand of them all until the lawsuit.

i'm personally only interested in semi-acoustics though so I don't care about les pauls.
 
Post lawsuit, the headstock changed to the "Guild" shape. These guitars are every bit as good. Antoria guitars were just rebadged Ibanez copies too. Check out the "Ibanez Collectors World" site for detailed info.

http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/

The semis are good but some did have bolt necks. Make sure you ask the seller first.

An Archtop should fetch more than a 335 copy. There is a ES175 copy on ebay at the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=900884837

Lee
 
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