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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: '81 LS120 Reply with quote


http://cgi.ebay.de/Tokai-LS-120-Love-Rock-81-59-Reissue_W0QQitemZ200446232748QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGitarren?hash=item2eab86c8ac

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet ! even has the original Tag !!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I don't understand is if Tokai were so caught up in making exact replicas of the older Les Pauls, then why did they not at least include pickup covers and leave it up to the buyer if they wanted to remove them?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
Nice one


Yep,but very pricey.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Volker


I never said people did not remove the covers, rather that Clapton's guitar in that photo would have come stock with covers. I was playng professionally back then, and the main reason people took the covers off was because they thought it looked cool. I even did it myself, but then I realized I much preferred the look and sound with the covers on. So all I am saying is that I think these Japanese makers should leave the choice up to the buyer. If you get the guitar with covers, you have the option then to have it either way you want. Whereas, if you get a guitar like the 1981 LS-80 I just bought, I have no choice because I cannot put covers on those stock pups. Instead, I either have to live with it as is, or replace the pups (which is what I am doing). Anyway, no question that LS-120 is a beautiful guitar otherwise
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for covers on
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I like covers on as well, but I don't mind the looks of the uncovered pickups, I just think they sound better covered, maybe slightly smoother and fatter. However there would be some LPs that would benefit tone-wise from removing the covers.

Nice LS, but it is definitely a collectors piece - it looks untouched!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Z wrote:
What I don't understand is if Tokai were so caught up in making exact replicas of the older Les Pauls, then why did they not at least include pickup covers and leave it up to the buyer if they wanted to remove them?


In a word - 70s! When Tokai started doing these LPs they clearly went with some of the 70s features of the range of Gibby LPs at that time. This is why there are medium tenons, less headstock angle on some models, and clownbursts. Also, I don't think Dimarzios had covers, certainly the ones I bought back in the early 80s (PAF and Super Distortion Humbuckers) didn't seem to be available with covers (could be different in an OEM deal though).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are missing my point though. It doesn't matter what decade they were building the guitars in. If they were seriously trying to make an exact replica of a 59 Les Paul, a 59 Les Paul came with covers on the pups; as did all Les Pauls of that era. I understand the attraction for some not having covers on, but why not leave it up to the individual to make that choice. Besides, 90% of the fun of it back then was taking the covers off yourself and seeing what was under there.

Anyway, I am no Les Paul expert by any means, but I did not think that Gibson put out any Les Paul models without covers. Did they actually do that with some 70's models?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I'll put it another way:
It's clear that Tokai weren't trying to make a replica of the 50's Gibson LP, and ended up making LPs that had some features from the Gibson 1968 LP, 70s LPs and others.

Tokai did do what they wanted to though - made a good LP that was better than what was on offer at the time in the late 70s.

No, it doesn't matter which decade they started building them in, but why do some of the early Reborns and Love Rocks have 70s features? All of them have the 1968 tenon.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Z wrote:
I think you are missing my point though. It doesn't matter what decade they were building the guitars in. If they were seriously trying to make an exact replica of a 59 Les Paul, a 59 Les Paul came with covers on the pups; as did all Les Pauls of that era. I understand the attraction for some not having covers on, but why not leave it up to the individual to make that choice. Besides, 90% of the fun of it back then was taking the covers off yourself and seeing what was under there.

Anyway, I am no Les Paul expert by any means, but I did not think that Gibson put out any Les Paul models without covers. Did they actually do that with some 70's models?
They did, It was the Les Paul; KM.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@jvsearch: if you look at Tokai catalogs they actually did intend to make 50s guitars; a LS50, 60 & 80 should be '58 models, some 100's a special '57 model and 120, 150 & 200 a '59 model.

this is a real nice 120 though! interestingly enough this guitar was bought from a german guitarshop in 1982, so wasn't exposed to the japanese climat. Not original pups though; the sellers states there are late 90s Rio Grande pups in it.
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