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Post by JVsearch » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:53 am

stratman323 wrote:Oh dear, back to this old story again! Fullerplast is not poly! Has anyone who is claiming that ever tried an old Fender? Totally different feel, & the wear pattern is totally different. Modern Custom Shop vintage copies are all nitro, early 80s USRIs are all nitro, later ones had a poly sealant coat. Try both & the difference is very apparent.
Fullerplast was still in the plastics family, as is every single guitar finish ever used, technically, including the blessed nitro.

Ok, forget Fullerplast because it wasn't used all that much and by 1968 all Fender sealer coats were poly, until later they started to do some other finishes on selected models (reissues and Custom Shop). There really isn't anything wrong with poly, I just don't like the idea of people being duped into thinking they're getting a full nitro finish, and there really are very few that are completely nitro finished. Personally I doubt that Gibson uses a traditional nitro finish on the Historics anymore.

Maybe some of your guitars feel different because they were second hand? I had a 63 Fender and the finish was completely worn off on the neck so I've no idea what it would have felt like with finish on it. My old 62 Casino still has finish on the neck, but I'm not sure it's the original finish, but it feels great - never sticky. My Bacchus Duke, brand new with a lacquer top coat, did occasionally feel sticky but seems to be fine now. The 2007 Momose Strat with lacquer top coat is nice and slick, never sticky but the neck finish is very slightly satin I think - it works, but for all I know the previous owner gently ran a bit of wet and dry over the neck?
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by stratman323 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:33 am

One other point on the Fullerplast/poly sealant discussion is that Fullerplast was used on bodies - as far as I know it was never used on necks. I personally couldn't give a (*&) what they use to seal the body with, it's the finish on the back of the neck that I feel whenever I play the guitar. As long as that's nitro, everything is cool. The complete opposite of Fender's daft new Road Worn series, where they finish the body with nitro but the neck with poly! Crazy. :roll:

Having said that, I've got so used to the relatively thin poly finish on my Goldstars that the lack of nitro doesn't bother me as much as it used to.

Nitro does feel better when it's worn, true enough, but even on a 2004 Tele, it still feels different.

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Post by greco_burst » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:37 am

stratman323 wrote:Well, previous information on these pages came mainly from MIJVintage, who I regard as quite a reliable source of information on Bacchi. Now you're turning all that he said on it's head. For example, isn't it reasonable to assume that a Strat with a serial number beginning 01 is from 2001?

Unfortunately Mick, you have spread misinformation on here before (just "for a laugh" regarding SS60s, remember?), so I am not inclined to believe you when you tell me that everything we have previously been told is wrong. Where did all the previous "wrong" information come from? And why should we believe you rather than the other, earlier sources?
I had contacted Deviser, with the help of 3 people who speak/write Japanese/English.
As for serial numbers, that they do not reflect the year the guitar was made.
As for your comments about who to believe, well, you should contact Deviser yourself about serial numbers etc. and whatever else.

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Post by Diodibuh » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:14 pm

greco_burst wrote:
Diodibuh wrote:great post, but I'm confused with that "begining" and "beginning" logo. I have two BST, tought one was before 2000 and one after (according to serials, it's quite a big difference btw both). But they bot have "begining" in logo. Also I don't really understand that string retainer stuff - can someone explain this please?
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According to the information received from Deviser, If both your guitars have 'begining' then they would be the early years model vintage series. What sort of string retainer on the headstock is yours..wing or round?

As for Serial numbers, Deviser replied to my question about it, and they said they did not keep records of what serial numbers were allocated to which year, so, it is not possible to ID which year from the serial number.

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here are pictures and serial numbers of my two bacchus
BST54V, serial: 011138
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and BST62, serial: 126384
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different string retainer, big difference btw serial numbers, and both with "begining". Do you think they're both pre 2000?

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Post by stratman323 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:25 pm

The reason the string retainer is different on the first one is because it's a copy of a '54 Strat - the early Strats had the round string tree.

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Post by Diodibuh » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:57 pm

tnx stratman ;)

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Post by JohnA » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:39 pm

stratman323 wrote:The reason the string retainer is different on the first one is because it's a copy of a '54 Strat - the early Strats had the round string tree.
Other main difference is the '54's copies were Ash like the early Strats and the '57's Alder.

I think the question Diodibuh is asking is why 'Begining' is spelt wrong on both? For that I have no answer :wink:

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Post by Diodibuh » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:26 pm

exactly, that was the main question ;) tnx John

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Post by stratman323 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:28 am

Well it does rather suggest that the earlier information from MIJVintage was more reliable, doesn't it?

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Post by greco_burst » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:37 am

Diodibuh wrote:exactly, that was the main question ;) tnx John
what makes u think your guitar is not a bst64v?.....did the shop sell it as a bst62?
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Post by Diodibuh » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:52 am

yes, the seller said it's bst62. are there any difference so I can check?

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Post by stratman323 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:35 pm

A 62 should have a slab board, a 64 should have a cap board.

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Post by Diodibuh » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:50 pm

I think one has slab board.
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Post by JohnA » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:50 pm

A photo of the headstock end would make it easier to see if it's a cap or a slab board

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Post by leadguitar_323 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:11 pm

Looks like a slab board to me..

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