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fratalis
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject: Tokai Sg - tuning stability? Reply with quote

I'm thinking of ordering new SG85, but i read some statements that sg(notably with 61 like joint) have huge problem with neck/tuning stability

its that true?





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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I don't know, I have a SG75 and I never experienced any tuning problems. But I must admit that unlike some of my other guitars I have never gigged with it. (Possibly people bumping in to it or dropping it while the guitar is backstage and stored in a gigbag poses a bigger problem). Of course SG's are known for their relative weak neck joints, but I am always very carefull with my instruments so for me it isn't a problem. By the way, my SG is one of the lightest guitars I've ever held my hands on, the weight is only 2800 grams and it is very resonant.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I've got a lowly SG43 and it's fine for tuning...no issues whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have several SG's..... no tuning problems at all. What's the huge problem you heard?

SG's are neck heavy and the neck has a tendency to dive toward the floor. Get a good strap with a shoulder pad and you'll never have a problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://mrglyn.blogspot.com/2008/11/gibson-sg-neck-re-set.html

Like that? I don't know how common it is to be honest. I had an SG and mine was fine. I liked it a lot. It sounded great, played well and easily and looked good.

The only reason I got rid of it was because it was so badly balanced, and no matter what I did I couldn't stop the headstock diving toward the floor whenever I let go of the neck.

Other than that, brilliant guitar. But then I never dropped it. Not sure it'd be as strong as a Strat or Tele somehow.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My SG75 is rock solid tuning-wise.

A suede back leather strap deals with the neck diving trouble completely for me. Every SG type guitar I've tried has been neck heavy.

It's a pleasure to play, as being so light it's very easy on my creaky back.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank You guyz for response

I know the week joint, but I'm not idiot like Cobain to smash every guitar and use guitar like baseball bat.

Hard case for SG +1

I heard that SG get quick out of tune, mostly with bending on .G and .B
I know that neck tends to 'fail' but for me its okay.
Also I played several Epiphones and Gibsons, and when I bend on, from 3rd to 5th fret on strings that I mentioned, they get quickly out of tune.

Have You this?

Mostly I like Les Pauls, but my back don't, so I'm thinking of SG.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listen, if Angus Young can beat the crap out of an SG on a regular basis, bend the high strings all the way across the neck and doesn't have an issue with the neck/body balance, personally, I don't need anything else to convince me that I can plinky plink on mine without worrying about breaking the neck off.

Buy the SG and don't fret (pun intended) over an isolated incident or article you read. There's a reason why those guitars have been around so long. Here's another reason:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats why I like this board, sooooooo much.

heh thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fratalis wrote:
Thats why I like this board, sooooooo much.

heh thanks



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no doubt that many SGs are more flimsy than most other models of guitar. Strength-wise, compared to a Strat or Tele the SG doesn't get near them, but it should stay in tune without any problems. I would suspect nut or stringing problems before anything else if there's a tuning problem with an SG. If it's a situation where the whole thing goes out of tune after a few bends on the B or G strings then I think it might need a truss rod adjustment, or maybe it's a dud?

You may be referring to the neck stability test (?) - pick the low E open and let it ring, then at the same time bend the high E up 1 step at the 12th fret, does the low E go flat slightly? It probably will, and this is just a fact of life with many SGs, and lots of other guitars as well. It's very likely that only guitars with quite fat necks, and/or pretty strong fully dried wood in thinner necks (and both properly set-up) will not exhibit the de-tuning when tested in this way.

And, as you already know, never drop an SG!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcus, are you getting a royalty every time you post that pic? Or perhaps some other kind of benefit?

Mike


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goestoeleven wrote:
Other than that, brilliant guitar. But then I never dropped it. Not sure it'd be as strong as a Strat or Tele somehow.


Or a Les Paul.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Marcus, are you getting a royalty every time you post that pic? Or perhaps some other kind of benefit?

Mike


I get the benefit of looking at her again - LOL
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice one marcus....what a beautiful pair of humbuckers !

but you should photoshop a Tokai logo on the headstock !!
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