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1979 ST-80 unstamped pickups
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madcat
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: 1979 ST-80 unstamped pickups Reply with quote

HI All,

Any idea of what kind of pickups are in my Springy ST-80 ?



Thanks for your help.
Regards
Chris


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Chris
The back of your pickguard has a B stamp, which is usually found on pickguards with U stamped pickups.
Maybe the pickguard was changed, maybe not, maybe sometimes ST-80 also have those parts? whether U or E stamped, not sure, it would likely be the difference to your ears or a kOhms reading, E would likely be around 5.7kOhms? and U would likely be around 6.0kOhms?
But that is not conclusive anyway.
There is little difference between the two, but, the major difference is that Tokai ST-80 had the E stamped pickups which were more Vintage Sounding, that is how Tokai marketed them.

The hardware parts on your ST-80 are Nickel or Chrome? such as backplate, and jack plate?
regards,
Mick
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Fernandes ST once with these....it makes you guess that they & the Tokai pups were made at the same place perhaps ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotoh, Gabe.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My black Goldstar has unstamped pickups that I'm pretty sure are Us. It's good to know that Tokai forgot to stamp a few of them! Maybe they ran out of ink?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank's for your reply, the pickups measure :

neck 6,2 k ohms
mid 6.2 k ohms
bridge 6.3 k ohms

That's very close to the 1964 fender strat pickups spec !
found here : http://www.provide.net/~cfh/pickups.html

Does anyone had a chance to compare a tokai to an old fender strat ?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those measurements sound like Us. But an ST80 should have Es. How do you know it's an ST80?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Those measurements sound like Us. But an ST80 should have Es. How do you know it's an ST80?


Yes, very U readings...
I did see the ST-80 in the neck pocket?, but, I was thinking this guitar might be mixed in parts? That is why i asked if the hardware parts such as backplate and jack plate were nickel or chrome, if chrome then ST-50 ST-60 and if nickel, then yes, ST-80, if chrome I was going to ask more about if V neck or nitro finish. Becasue of B stamp on back of pickguard, but then, anything is always possible with Tokai as is proven here over and over, but A stamp is the norm for ST-80
Beautiful Sen wood by the way

edit- or does it read ST-60? (I can't quite read it clearly)

regards, Mick
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's an ST-80 because

- I can read ST-80 on the neck pocket
- "80" is engraved on the neck
- The finish is Nitro
- The neck profile is a V
- Body is Sen wood
- 2 pieces body
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madcat wrote:
I know it's an ST-80 because

- I can read ST-80 on the neck pocket
- "80" is engraved on the neck
- The finish is Nitro
- The neck profile is a V
- Body is Sen wood
- 2 pieces body


Ok, , thanks Chris, you have really nice Tokai Springy ST-80, including the ST-100
regards, Mick
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:50 am    Post subject: Non original ST-80 Reply with quote

Thank you for all your input, I can now tell that my ST-80 is not original. The pickups, the pickguard and the bridge are from an ST-60.

Koiz guitar never told me the ST-80 is not original and I was confident.
if you consider the high price I paid for a non original tokai. I can tell you, i' not happy at all with this seller.

I contacted koiz about that and I'm waiting his answer.

Will keep you updated
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: Non original ST-80 Reply with quote

Hmmm...On my pink Strat, one of the pickups is stamped E and the other two are not stamped. But the assembly is untouched.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know how you feel madcat. I bought my ST60 from former forum member dongrosh, in Germany. I bought it in the belief that it was an ST80, in fact my e.mails were all headed ST80. However it turned out to be an ST60, & as I paid ?750 for it a couple of years ago, I paid well over the top.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did someone experienced bad deal with this japanese seller ?

Something to share with us ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beware!
I bought a LS320 from Koiz.
The weight was unbelievable heavy with 4.6kg!!! Unacceptable for Tokais high-end flagship
He doesn't mentioned that in his description and refused any compensation.
Shame!!
After our dispute he published my name in his blog section of his website: Beware of this customer?
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