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JohnA
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or an 79-81 LS-80, high end and old wood..no turnarounds there...


That would be my choice too, the newer guitars, while great instruments are definetely missing the magic that you find with an old Reborn. Probably a better investment too!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
villager wrote:
or an 79-81 LS-80, high end and old wood..no turnarounds there...


That would be my choice too, the newer guitars, while great instruments are definetely missing the magic that you find with an old Reborn. Probably a better investment too!


My new LS150VF has alot more "magic" than my LS60 Reborn plaintop.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but LS-60 is 14 deg headstock, and that really changes the feel for me, does anyone have a reborn 80+ and a newer 150 to compare?.. would be interesting to hear thoughts..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a Reborn Old LS80, and used to own a new LS135, I've also played quite a few other newish Tokais, and would take my LS80 over any of them! That's not to say the newer ones were bad guitars though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree its a personal thing, even the very best of the newer navigators, historics, and tokais are not the same as the older guitars, beautiful instruments, just different..plus i love the fact that guitars have some ''previous''..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
but LS-60 is 14 deg headstock, and that really changes the feel for me, does anyone have a reborn 80+ and a newer 150 to compare?.. would be interesting to hear thoughts..


Good point but for myself only, I can't feel the difference between 14 and 18 degree headstocks. Honestly, that's never been a purchasing criteria for me.

Sure it's more authentic to Gibson spec but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter to me. I'm not that good of a player or an Eric Johnson tone freak (no reference to you Village) to pick up the subtle nuances between the angles (while on the other hand, I see a much greater difference between brass and steel saddles, alum locking tailpieces and stock hardware).....

I just want the guitar to feel good and sound good. If not, I'm done with it regardless of the pedigree.

That's only my two cent's worth.... maybe I should pay more attention but for now, I'm cool.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don?t agree Villager, my LS-320 sounds and feels better than my LS-80 which feel old and I like it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree Marcus, feel great and sound great are the only two really important criteria (well, maybe look great too) for me the older ones just sound and feel better. Like Villager I like a guitar with a bit of 'previous' too, I used to chase after mint examples, but whether it's coincedence or not, the guitars I play most are the ones that have already had a great deal of playing.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
I used to chase after mint examples, but whether it's coincedence or not, the guitars I play most are the ones that have already had a great deal of playing.


My same dating strategy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the old worn in thing myself but AFA a "high end plain top" I have found "it" in my Bacchus BLS-59

I cannot describe how good this guitar really is except to say it is nothing short of phenomenal.

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13671

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14206

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14459


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mij, I think we sould run a competition to see if we can find a thread that you haven't mentioned your BLS-59V, I take it you like it

Marcus - agree on the dating strategy too, but that's more down to what I can get, a shiny new model would be nice!!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any one piece plain top? It would be impressive.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
Mij, I think we sould run a competition to see if we can find a thread that you haven't mentioned your BLS-59V, I take it you like it


the only thing this one doesn't have besides a flame top is the mojo that aging brings but I think I can take care of that ...............
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MIJvintage wrote:
I like the old worn in thing myself but AFA a "high end plain top" I have found "it" in my Bacchus BLS-59

I cannot describe how good this guitar really is except to say it is nothing short of phenomenal.

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13671

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14206

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14459



how do you call that kind of color of this guitar again?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi MIJ...is that new, old, second hand? I dont know bacchus well (though was looking at that tele that went on ebay about 2 weeks ago, 52 copy so read a little). Its a sweet looking guitar, yours, and I assume from your post it plays to your liking??
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