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Fender JV-115 ....omg!
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Koubayashi
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
i disagree rich, the early JV's sound better to me than any later fenders, and I play them too..

but its each to their own i suppose, after all you love burnys...


Comparing a 62-115 to an 61 Strat is like looking at yourself in a mirror.
To compare with a CS or AV is like staring into a brick wall

65, 85 or 115 are superior to any American Fender built after 1967.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koubayashi wrote:
Comparing a 62-115 to an 61 Strat is like looking at yourself in a mirror.
To compare with a CS or AV is like staring into a brick wall

65, 85 or 115 are superior to any American Fender built after 1967.


So why do you want to sell yours to get an 82 Fullerton?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have JV 00097, 14/04/82
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:
Comparing a 62-115 to an 61 Strat is like looking at yourself in a mirror.
To compare with a CS or AV is like staring into a brick wall

65, 85 or 115 are superior to any American Fender built after 1967.


So why do you want to sell yours to get an 82 Fullerton?


Fullertons age nicer.
I don't play Strats so I want something that looks good on the wall.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
I have JV 00097, 14/04/82

Just about 20 Guitars between ours. Kind of cool now, 27 years later.

14 is a very early date though. I had a 52-95 Tele a couple of years ago that was dated 16/04 but sold it and bought an Jazzmaster for the money.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
I have JV 00097, 14/04/82


So, you got GL?s (fuzzy_gil) black ST62-115. I never did ask him where it went.

One of my JVTL?s is 01396, neck date 4/17/82?



Now how?d that happen?

'Guess they hadn't started making the Tele JV bridgeplates yet.

For some reason, the earliest, earliest JV Teles had the serial on the back of the neck unlike the other?s that were on the bridgeplate?




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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koubayashi wrote:
stratman323 wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:
Comparing a 62-115 to an 61 Strat is like looking at yourself in a mirror.
To compare with a CS or AV is like staring into a brick wall

65, 85 or 115 are superior to any American Fender built after 1967.


So why do you want to sell yours to get an 82 Fullerton?


Fullertons age nicer.
I don't play Strats so I want something that looks good on the wall.


you dont play strats, you dont play les pauls wtf do you play??
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:
stratman323 wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:
Comparing a 62-115 to an 61 Strat is like looking at yourself in a mirror.
To compare with a CS or AV is like staring into a brick wall

65, 85 or 115 are superior to any American Fender built after 1967.


So why do you want to sell yours to get an 82 Fullerton?


Fullertons age nicer.
I don't play Strats so I want something that looks good on the wall.


you dont play strats, you dont play les pauls wtf do you play??


SG Std, SG Special, SG Special and SG Junior.
If there was another SG I would play that one too
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow SG man!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a tragic waste of a Fullerton Strat just to hang it on the wall! I play all my guitars.

One thing I don't understand though. If you "don't play Strats", how can you say which of the RIs is closest to a "real" 60s Strat? As far as I'm concerned, the closest I've ever come to a real 60s Strat (& I have played a small number, even if only briefly) is a Fullerton. They sound, feel & even age like a real 60s Strat, just 20 years younger. An ST80 is an excellent Strat, but it's a little different in feel.

I rarely play SGs, so I wouldn't attempt to comment on which of the RIs comes closet to the original - I just wouldn't be able to tell.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stratman323 - You've confused me

What's your definition of a Fullerton Strat ?

Is is a genuine Fender strat made in the factory at Fullerton or is it a strat clone which is named Fullerton as in the link below ??

http://www.dolphinstreet.com/guitars/fullerton_stratocaster/

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh love this bit..

It stayed in tune much better than expected, even though I pulled the tremolo arm up and down.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I can see that it might be confusing. Fullerton could technically refer to anything made at the Fullerton plant before it closed early in 1985.

In practice, when people talk about Fullerton Strats, they usually (in my experience) mean one of the early US 57RI or 62RI models, & that's what I mean. Fender first produced accurate (with a few minor details "wrong" such as dot spacing) re-issues of 57 & 62 Strats in 1982, shortly after the Fender Japan range became available. As we all know, it was the Springy which showed Fender the way - in 1978 to 1982 the best "vintage Strat" you could buy was a Springy.

They made them from late 1982 till very early 1985, when CBS sold Fender, but not the Fullerton plant, which closed. In late 1985 the new Corona plant opened, & the first guitars made there (in 1986 - I'm not sure if any were made in 85) were RI Strats made from left over Fullerton bits. I know this is true as the body contours were different on the Fullerton models, & I have an 86 which has the same contours. There were few staff and few guitars made in 1986 - most Fenders sold at this time were MIJ.

The 82 to 84 Fullertons are highly sought after, much as the JVs are, & I regard them as very special guitars. Although some people deny this, I am convinced that the early USRIs are all nitro - there is no sign of any sort of poly base coat, & they wear & check just like a real 62 would, except that they are 20 years newer. They sell for a lot of money now, just as many JVs do, & many people question if they are overpriced. I reckon they are the next great collectible Fenders after the pre 65 stuff - they are easily much better instruments than the 70s stuff, & the prices reflect this.

So, that's what I mean by a Fullerton. Incidentally, the necks on the early 62RIs are about as slim as any Strat necks I've ever tried, which is just what I love. A bit like a RW board Goldstar, but with a soft and thin nitro finish. If any Strat lover has a chance to try an 82 to 86 USRI, I would advise you to grab the chance, so you can make your own assessment of what they are like.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What a tragic waste of a Fullerton Strat just to hang it on the wall! I play all my guitars.

One thing I don't understand though. If you "don't play Strats", how can you say which of the RIs is closest to a "real" 60s Strat? As far as I'm concerned, the closest I've ever come to a real 60s Strat (& I have played a small number, even if only briefly) is a Fullerton. They sound, feel & even age like a real 60s Strat, just 20 years younger. An ST80 is an excellent Strat, but it's a little different in feel.

I rarely play SGs, so I wouldn't attempt to comment on which of the RIs comes closet to the original - I just wouldn't be able to tell.


I haven't always played only SG
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
OK, I can see that it might be confusing. Fullerton could technically refer to anything made at the Fullerton plant before it closed early in 1985.

In practice, when people talk about Fullerton Strats, they usually (in my experience) mean one of the early US 57RI or 62RI models, & that's what I mean. Fender first produced accurate (with a few minor details "wrong" such as dot spacing) re-issues of 57 & 62 Strats in 1982, shortly after the Fender Japan range became available. As we all know, it was the Springy which showed Fender the way - in 1978 to 1982 the best "vintage Strat" you could buy was a Springy.

They made them from late 1982 till very early 1985, when CBS sold Fender, but not the Fullerton plant, which closed. In late 1985 the new Corona plant opened, & the first guitars made there (in 1986 - I'm not sure if any were made in 85) were RI Strats made from left over Fullerton bits. I know this is true as the body contours were different on the Fullerton models, & I have an 86 which has the same contours. There were few staff and few guitars made in 1986 - most Fenders sold at this time were MIJ.

The 82 to 84 Fullertons are highly sought after, much as the JVs are, & I regard them as very special guitars. Although some people deny this, I am convinced that the early USRIs are all nitro - there is no sign of any sort of poly base coat, & they wear & check just like a real 62 would, except that they are 20 years newer. They sell for a lot of money now, just as many JVs do, & many people question if they are overpriced. I reckon they are the next great collectible Fenders after the pre 65 stuff - they are easily much better instruments than the 70s stuff, & the prices reflect this.

So, that's what I mean by a Fullerton. Incidentally, the necks on the early 62RIs are about as slim as any Strat necks I've ever tried, which is just what I love. A bit like a RW board Goldstar, but with a soft and thin nitro finish. If any Strat lover has a chance to try an 82 to 86 USRI, I would advise you to grab the chance, so you can make your own assessment of what they are like.

Hope this helps.


Thanks Mike, cleared up a lot there mate
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