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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't assume because he didn't reply that he is a bad seller. One of my buyers in Japan stopped replying to my emails and so i rang him only to find that his email was rejecting my emails and he found mine in his spam folder, this has happened to me twice now. He told me that most of the spam they get is from the US and other western countries and his spam filter just deleted them before he had a chance to see them. This could be the case here.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On his page he asks people to email since his spoken English is supposedly not so good so there's nothing I could have done.

Was a real beauty so I was pretty mad when it was sold a couple of days later...




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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know , this problem had me stumped as well, i was lucky my guy spoke english, not that well though...

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I will have better luck next time, finding a nice plaintop over here in Europe isn't easy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: LS195/150/150-UK figured top. Reply with quote

ArKay wrote:
TOKAI JOE wrote:
http://www.real-standard.com/stock/tokai/ls195cs/ls195cs-0817373.html

this model might be important so i do an individual post here.


Bad shop. He had an LS150 I wanted to buy, but he didn't respond to the 2 eMails I sent even though he claims that he ships internationally on his page.


please dont say that man please. you are very wroooooooooong
about him. mr.kamiya. one of the kindest gtr shop men i have
ever known. he is really actually very kind and he always helps
me more than he should. i always ask him for most of the japa
gtr parts and catalogs and when sometimes the charge is only
a few bucks he wont charge often. he just says "thats ok the next
time!" he already helped me about $10 free by that way. actually
right now i owe him $3 for the mick's last catalogs! its him mick!
i understand you got pissed off coz your 2 emails werent
responded. but trust me he is really good. maybe he was just so
busy too often since he does the shop plus the studio and more
all by himself i think. there must have been right reasons so.....
i email a lot to the english speaking world and often i dont get
the reply. actualy even from my friends i dont get sometimes.
and i dont get to reply well often coz too busy too tired no time
whatever. u know these email situations of us. and like mick says
the spam filter thing is also very possible. so please dont say
nothing bad about him and his store. its one of the best tokai
shops in japan lately and nobody does packing better than
mr.kamiya. thats the fact and truth. his package is almost very
beautiful everytime man. try to get ls150 from kurosawa they
are a big company like ishibashi so they do the business sure
no less or no more. you pay them exactly and get what you
ordered exactly. good luck for your gtr importing!






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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.kurosawagakki.com/english.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

150s are hard to find so it was twice as depressing, apart from the fact of course that nobody likes being ignored.

There are a few in the UK, but I don't like the finishes. And the seller didn't respond to my mail either

Thanks for the link, I will keep watching that page

Any idea why Ishibashi stoppped selling new Tokais? They wouldn't tell me.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ishibashi and some others are the big gtr chain stores in japan
who usually do the international business well. but after around
2005/6 when tokai gibson copys became very popular
around the world they stopped selling them somehow. why???



@ the possible reasons.


for ishibashi........they are worried of many rejects from the US custom
and canadian custom and maybe some others where
their custom can reject any gibson copys easily if they
want for the gibson's patent rights. once the gtrs got
rejected at the custom they dont send them back to
ishibashi most likely and instead they junk them laters
you get the refund from ishibashi but they dont get
nothing back for that so i guess when tokai copys got
pretty popular again around 2005/6 they stopped
selling them. when not too many it was maybe ok but
now too many orders are possible from USA and canada
so they stopped. for the european countries too. i mean
all the tokai gtrs or all the tokai gibson copys. fender
japan gtrs are also not allowed to sell to the outside of
japan usually because of the fender's market reasons.
they worry too many buy fender japan than fender
mexico or fender china/korea in the world. also its the
tokai's request to ishibashi for the tokai's own reason
explained below.


for tokai........tokai never mind if only some japan market models
are sold and sent to the foreign countries by ishibashi
or others but when the quantity became so much
they worry seriouslly coz gibson will attack them as
soon as they felt tokai is over selling the copys lately.
tokai sells ok in japan and some countries especially
in europe but not in USA and canada lately.
they seems to sell a lot in UK so thats why they have
to add that dimple on the headstock to avoid too much
popularity in UK that could cause the trouble from gibson.
in some tokai popular countries, only the trussrod cover
aint good enough. its the patent issue and its troubles
from gibson.


tokai is very afraid of gibson and USA i think. the company died once
basically for that. there were several reasons why tokai once died but
gibson was the main one and always has been since whenever
tokai become groovy. tokai always has to watch out the big daddy
GIBSON. tokai is always selling in where gibson isnt reaching to,
both the areas and price range. but tokai is good and their motto
is always " quality before quantity" and its been the same since 1947.






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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also support Mr. Kamiya,he is very kind and patient.Thumbs up for him from me.

Just remember when dealing with japanese people we have not the same rules.Comunication is broken a lot of times and conducting what we felt a strange way, but not so strange as we think.It?s not easy.

Regarding Tokai suply just remeber Tokai is not a big facility as we think and it?s a great thing for me,I don?t a want a big mass production where you cannot control quality,if quality is down ,Tokai would be down also because they are based on "Quality before quantity". Tokai products demand has grown so high in a few years they would have to adjust this also and had to hire a lot of new people but they do really good products, some good,some very good and some great as LS-320 series... And wood supply is not easy to get as before....
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't met Mr. Kamiya yet but I second that sometimes it is impossible to get an answer from a Japanese shop even if they claim that the do international shipments.

Maybe it is that they don't have too much stock to care about selling abroad or maybe it is that nobody speak english at the moment, I don't know. Maybe English is not so spread as we tend to think.

BTW, please send Mr. Kamiya greetings from Jose, just in case
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know Ishibashi simply stopped shipping Japanese Fender guitars to Europe and the US a while ago, they still have them in their store though so I don't think that is the reason why they are not offering Tokais. I think that international business is only a very small percentage of their sales. And you can buy anything from the U-BOX, but the Tokais are always gone fast.

It's probably the low supply and the fear of Gibson since they also have a huge selection of Gibson guitars and they want to keep it that way. But they do sell Edwards.

Ikebe-Gakki has a few Tokais, but most of them are Talbos. They also have Gibsons and the Bacchus Universe series. I guess that Gibson isn't too worried about them.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr.kamiya does at least 3 businesses all together by himself
so he often cant be at the store so long. super busy man
he is. when he gets hundreds of emails including whatever
he may not be able to get to your emails coz all chaotic there.
so thats his situation i think. trust me he is one of the kindest gtr
shop man i have ever known here in japan. he always never mind
it when my charge was a few bucks. i pay him laters whenever.
this is very rare today to find. as the relationship between the store
and just a customer from hundreds of miles away. he does these
3 all at once everyday, as the general manager i think.
the store, the studio, the music school.....so now we better shut up.

try kurosawa for the constant international business. they always
have some LS150s and 335 copys and some more........

fender japan is always too popular in japan but tokai isnt since
the mid 80s. today tokai isnt any important to any stores really
so only some tokai lover stores do carry them basically.
whereas fender japans are everywhere in japan. from a tiny
shop to the huge stores. tokai and ishibashi are both afraid of
gibson and USA. so they dont wanna sell tokai to the outside
of japan too many to avoid the trouble especially to USA.
fender japan is kinda the same. they dont wanna sell them too
many because of fender mexico/korea/china products in the
world. but at least they dont have to worry of the patent issues
coz its fender. no problem at the custom. but tokai does sometimes
or often when the numbers of them coming into USA are too many.
the situations.











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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up until 2 years ago (IIRC) Ishibashi still shipped Fenders to Europe, I know because I had ordered one. They must have stopped doing that recently which is NO problem though because the U-BOX is always full of them. Finding Tokais in there isn't easy because you have to know the Japanese spelling (they are never listed as Tokai, but as 東海 - are they hiding them from the foreigners?)

If given the choice between Fender Japan and a nice Tokai I would honestly chose the Tokai. I have a recent Fender Japan tele which is pretty nice, but I think that Tokai can do better
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArKay wrote:
If given the choice between Fender Japan and a nice Tokai I would honestly chose the Tokai. I have a recent Fender Japan tele which is pretty nice, but I think that Tokai can do better


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If given the choice between Fender Japan and a nice Tokai I would honestly chose the Tokai. I have a recent Fender Japan tele which is pretty nice, but I think that Tokai can do better
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u know your tele can be the tokai made at 50% possibility
if its the post 1997 fender japan model. i see the post fujigen
years fender japan gtrs being about 50%-50% in japan lately.
about half tokai made and half dyna gakki made. i know how
to see tokai or dyna gakki but dont say it here since i expect
a lot of stupid arguments coming anytime and get disgusted.
maybe someday we will know it officially by fender japan.
fujigen, tokai, dyna gakki, all very good. no mistakes!

old tokai gtrs were a lot different from todays tokai gtrs.
both are very good but the vintage ones they used a lot of
better natural materials which were easy to get back then
for tokai or any good gtr companies. not only the woods
but other materials too. so the vintage tokais feel very natural
and personal than the modern ones just like good 100%
orange juice feels so to us than only 50% natural orange juice.
vintage tokais are very nice. both gibson and fender copys.
we better keep em precious! good old stuff........






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