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japanstrat
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: K Serial Orville origins Reply with quote

Updated info is at the end of this thread.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool info... that would prove many people bashing K orvilles are indeed wrong. Unfortunetly I never got to play a K one to know wether they are indeed worse or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



nice job! It definitely makes sens.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: K Serial Orvilles origins solved. Reply with quote

japanstrat wrote:
I know from tracking auctions that the K serial Orvilles were sold in Ishibashi stores which means Yamano wasn't involved and therefore the K prefix stands for "Kanda Shokai".

Both the Yamano and Kanda Shokai commissioned Orvilles were made in Japan just like the Japanese Fenders.

Korea doesn't come into the picture because all the Orvilles including the K serial Orvilles were using the Fender Japan setup and that means Japan only.



I'd like to see some proof of this.
Just by "tracking" auctions you tell us that "K" stands for "Kanda Shokai"?
No Orvilles were ever made in Korea?
Do you mean by saying "Fender Japan setup" electronics, pickups and bridges or is there a text in every K-Orville that says: "This guitar was setup by Fender Japan worker"?

I'm not saying that you could be right but just telling that the this is the truth and others were wrong without something backing up your word is quite unbelievable. IF you are right, I quess K-Orvilles' prices shoot up through the roof?

This is not a personal attack against you nor am I calling you a liar. (Just making this clear and to avoid mistakes.)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jouko,

... you're right - to believe is one thing, but a cast-iron backup would help !!!

So, japanstrat,

could you please prove your comments !!!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, it`s an interesting theory but without data is remains a theory.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

from my Japanese expert...see below...

very interesting.

it is correct that Yamano-Yamano vs Kanda-Ishibashi relationship.
but, it is not explain about K serial.

it is possiblity K is not Korea but Kanda.

but, it is completely different K orville and another orville.
not same paint, not same parts, not same not same.....parts are same as Korea made.

if you asked to Gibson USA about Orville, they answered "all of Orville were made in Japan, not Korea"

we dont know about truth.
but it is fact. K Orville is not so good. sound is same as Epi Korea.
this is the most important thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

updated

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

um.. yes... a long well argued post..

my guy thinks they are not the same as japan orvilles...i believe him...the fact is wherever they come from whatever the reasoning ..people dont like them as much as non K-serial orvilles...and as there are so many non k serial orvilles about why take any risk?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting theory, I'm still trying to absorb it. K = Kanda Shokai makes sense.

However, the theory would imply that Ishibashi never sold any new higher end Orville by Gibson models. Was that true?

I can believe that two different factories produced the ObGs and stickered Orvilles, maybe three!

I have seen very few early (1989-1992) inked serial number Orvilles, but I didn't keep track of the models, so I can't confirm that they were all SG basses. One of the earliest inked serial number Orville I saw was 905184 -- is that May 1990 or May 1989?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manager of a local chain shop told me FJs are made in two factories with basses in another, so more than one factory producing a single brand is not far fetched.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

orvilleowner wrote:
I can believe that two different factories produced the ObGs and stickered Orvilles, maybe three!


THis would be quite logical.

There's still the Orville By Gibson accoustics point: There's some accoustics fromthe same year, same model but different serials and different truss rod cover:

the A serial guitars have the Gibson truss rod cover, and the G serial guitars have a 3 screws "?piphone like" cover. They are both "Orville By Gibson".

Plus the fact a friend e-mailed Yamano some years ago for the factories making Orville and they answered 3 factories were involved if I remember well. The aswer was posted on a french forum, I should be able to find it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the K series orvilles are different to the non K series ...the colour blend on the sunbursts is different, , and the poly finish on the K series is thicker...so different factories whether in japan or not makes sense...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

updated

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