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japanstrat
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the circuit board pickups are Bill Lawrence HB-R/HB-L pickups that Gibson were using at the time. They are only on the OBG's and not the Orvilles.

If the serial says 1989 then it's 1989 and this one is 1989. The serial is in the first OBG format that changed in 1989. The first format is GYYXXXX and the second format is GYMMXXX. Y or YY = year, M = month, X = production number. The first format has no month info. The G letter = Terada factory code.


I can't really judge guitars for a buyer, there are just too many variables.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

japanstrat wrote:
All of the Semi Acoustic and Acoustic Orville by Gibsons and Orvilles were made only by the Terada guitar factory.
Terada have also made most of the Japanese Gretsch Semi Acoustics from the late 80s and most Gretsch players think they are very good guitars.

Terada specialize in making Semi Acoustic and Acoustic guitars and are very highly regarded by most people.


are you 100% sure of that? what about the 1993/94 OBG's with fret binding? were they terada also?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BNR wrote:
Thanks lead........

Anyone else with input on this 335? Much appreciated.


Looks pretty nice. I'd get it if I needed another one. You wouldn't be unhappy with it, that's for sure.

On the other forum you expressed some confusion about the meaning of some the terms being bandied about here, like OBG "Reissue" and "long tenon", so I thought I'd post the same info here in case anyone else was wondering about that as well.....

Here's a very 'quick and dirty' answer to some of your questions:

This a look under the under the neck pickup of my Sunburst OBG ES-335.



The tenon of the neck extends all the way into that pickup cavity. 99% of all OBG LPs, SGs and ES's have the long tenon neck that looks the same.



(this is a 'standard' with the long tenon but no fret edge binding)


OBGs were only made from '88 to '95 and the "reissues" were mostly made in '93 and '94--there are a few examples 92's and 95's with the "reissue" details which mainly consist of more yellowed (like 'aged') body binding, binding on the edges of the frets (which you can see in the pic), a slightly chunkier neck, the original truss rod covers were blank rather than having "Standard" on them and in the case of ES's, deluxe (rather than standard) tuners were fitted.



The specs of the OBG "reissues" are generally more vintage correct to the actual original Gibsons than the "Standard" OBGs.

A few of my OBGs have that same Gibson pickup as the one you're looking at. It's gonna take awhile, but I've begun putting up pics of some of my OBGs here if you want to see more:

http://picasaweb.google.com/innadaze.skybluela/InnadazeOBGs#slideshow

BTW, my Sunburst OBG ES-335 Reissue (above) is a '93 and the the serial number begins with "G".
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terada's main thing is Semi Acoustics and Acoustics but they also make solid bodies.

It goes like this.

Before 1987, Aria was the distributor for the Japanese Epiphones (mainly Semi Acoustics) and Aria subcontracted Matsumoku to make them. After Matsumoku closed down in 1987, Gibson went to a new distributor which was Yamano Gakki. The first Yamano/Gibson guitars are Japanese Semi Acoustic Epiphones in 1987 and Yamano subcontracted Terada to make them as Matsumoku was out of business and Terada are Semi Acoustic makers.

These mainly Semi Acoustic Japanese Epiphones made by Terada run from 1987-1998 when the Epiphone line was redone and became the Epiphone Elites.
Terada were making the Japanese Epiphones from 1987-1998 and Terada were also making OBG's and Orvilles from 1988-1998 with varying output because Terada output changes when Fujigen enters in late 1992.

Terada used a YXXXX serial number format (Y=year,X=production number) for the 1987-1998 Epiphones which was a different serial number format to what they were using for the OBG's.

In 1988 the OBG's were launched and Yamano subcontracted Terada to make all of the solid bodies and the Semi Acoustics which isn't very surprising seeing that Terada were already making the Epiphones for Yamano/Gibson. All of the OBG's up until late 1992 have a Terada G serial number and the K Orvilles were not serialized by Terada.

It's not until late 1992 that Fujigen gets involved and when they do, they take over about 90% of the solid body making including all of the Orville solid bodies (no more Terada K Orvilles) and Fujigen uses a no letter serial number.
At this time Fujigen was mostly a solid body maker and Fujigen discontinued all of it's Acoustic making around 1981.

Terada still made some OBG solid bodies from late 1992-1995 though, and Terada keeps on making all the OBG Semi Acoustics and Acoustics.
In 1995 the OBG's finish and Terada changes to a J letter serial and Fujigen just keep using a no letter serial. From 1995-1998, Fujigen made about 98% of the solid body Orvilles with only an occasional Terada made J serial solid body and Terada made all of the Orville J serial Semi Acoustics and it continues like this for the Epiphone Elite series.

All of the OBG Semi Acoustics and Acoustics have a Terada G serial or a Terada AG serial for some Acoustics. All of the Orville Semi Acoustics have a Terada J serial.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah thank you japanstrat, so all the 335 ObG's will have the G terada ser number then?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big thanks to Innadaze and Japanstrat.

Innadaze on the few models you have with the circuit board HB pickups would you say that the tonal quality is similar to the current make 57 Gibson HB? Do you like the circuit board PU?

From Innadaze's description between a reissue ObG versus a standard ObG, I learned that the two 335s I posted are not 100% original. Hopefully I got this correct. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The 93 ?reissue? model has fret edge binding, a blank truss rod cover, but chrome die cast tuners (no deluxe style).

The 89 ?standard? model has no fret edge binding, deluxe style tuners, but a blank truss rod cover (no standard label).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of all the OBG Semi Acoustics I've seen, they all have a G serial and all of the Orville Semi Acoustics I've seen have a J serial. There might be occasional exceptions but I havn't seen one yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I remember well, some ObG accoustic have an A serial ( but I saw only a few, maybe a special run for a shop or something like that? I saw a Dove model with that kind of serial a few years ago), some also have the classic fujigen serial with no letter ( I remember a j-200), but it's not the majority.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the Acoustic serial numbers on labels vary a bit. There is G and AG and maybe no letter. I think it depends on who did the label typing. The Acoustics were probably all made by Terada because Terada make Acoustics so unless there was a reason for Yamano to change factories for some of the Acoustics it looks like Terada made them. Fujigen stopped making Acoustics around 1981.

The G and J serial numbers and the K sticker on the solid bodies are easy to trace because of the way Terada routes the solid bodies. The same goes for the no letter Fujigen solid bodies. All of the Semi Acoustics are either G serial OBG's or J serial Orvilles from what I have seen and the G and J serial solid bodies are made by Terada and the same would go for the G and J serial Semi Acoustics and Terada are a Semi Acoustic/Acoustic specialist factory so it all makes sense.

On some Semi Acoustics there is a G or J letter ink stamped serial number but sometimes Terada leaves it off and there is just a G or J label serial number.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japanstrat wrote:
Yes, the Acoustic serial numbers on labels vary a bit. There is G and AG and maybe no letter. .


Ha you are right!!! It was AG.

japanstrat wrote:
The Acoustics were probably all made by Terada because Terada make Acoustics so unless there was a reason for Yamano to change factories for some of the Acoustics it looks like Terada made them. Fujigen stopped making Acoustics around 1981.


HA, possible, at one time Terada had 3 plants so it can vary from one plant to another.
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