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Peter Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mike,

The board is just a beast. We imported 2 into the country and I own 1 so ther chances are rare that the other will come to light - but if I ever see it I will notify you immediately.

All my pedals are the balck type, I believe the silver ones were first but black is just way cooler

You have a great Xmas, it is currently 34deg Celcius here, I am melting and I need to swim to cool off. We don't get a white Christmas, just a bright yellow one.

Take care
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javelin70
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now consider my collection of Tokai stomp boxes to be complete . I now own the following ones:

TDS-1 Distortion (one silver and one black)
TMD-1 and TMD-2 Metaldriver (TMD-1 black metallic and TMD-2 pearl white) (excellent overdrive!)
TOD-2 Overdrive (pearl white)
TCH-1 Chorus (black)
TPH-1 Phaser (black)
TFL-1 Flanger (silver)
new! TFL-2 Flanger (white)
TXC-1 Exciter (2 of them, both silver)
TDL-1 Delay (black)
TCO-1 Compressor (silver)

The TMD's are identical inside, the pcb is marked TMD-1 in the TMD-2 and the sound you get from them is identical. The TOD-2 pcb is marked TOD-1. The TDS-1 pedals have slightly different sound, the silver one has a little more pronounced midrange. In my opinion all of the pedals are very good, they sound good and are not noisy at all. Also the power consumption is very low allowing you to use batteries. It's almost impossible to destroy a pedal from the first series. Not one of the pots in any of the pedals is scratchy, very impressive considering most of them are 17-19 years old (1984-1986)! The plastic box second series work well but are not as tough as the first series.

edit: Another one has joined the collection, a TFL-2 flanger, got it cheap with a defect battery connector.

Mike
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luis
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have started my Tokai stompboxes collection today,a black TCH-1 is at home now (thanks Michael for your help).It is very well built.Only problem I can see it sucks tone a lot.I will try a Millenium bypass.A very courious think it has two inputs,one general located on the side(the regular you can see on a stompbox) and another one located on the face,near the controls and it seems like a boost??.Nice pedal!
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luis
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James, I confirm about the Sharp chip inside teh TCO-1.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tried this weekend a TDS-1 through a JTM-45 with KT-66 replica a friend built from a Loverocker?s kit (it sounds great,thanks Barry for the quality!) and I have to say it sounded really good, on a par with old japanese Boss equivalent model.
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SpringySound
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: TDL-1 Delay -- noisy? Reply with quote

I just picked up a TDL-1 Delay but it's pretty noisy. Not expecting crystal clear digital delay from an old analogue delay -- I have a bunch of nice old delays -- but his one is unusable. The echo is quite distorted.
Anyone else got one of these?
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luis
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own one and have not this kind of trouble.It works well altough delay time is about 400ms,it?s enough for me.If you want more delay time I?d recomend Maxon AD-999,great and versatile delay.
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Paladin2019
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: TDL-1 Delay -- noisy? Reply with quote

SpringySound wrote:
I just picked up a TDL-1 Delay but it's pretty noisy. Not expecting crystal clear digital delay from an old analogue delay -- I have a bunch of nice old delays -- but his one is unusable. The echo is quite distorted.
Anyone else got one of these?


It's possible that some idiot has done the same thing that a lot of idiots do when they open up an old analogue pedal: Tweaked the internal trimpots. Ask the seller if he did anything to it, and if he did - get your money back, because he's screwed you.

Rant:

Honestly, I don't know what goes through these people's heads... why oh why would a pedal maker incorporate extra controls into their pedal design and hide them away as trimpots? A lot of manufacturers actually glued the trimmers in place to stop them getting tinkered with but that won't stop the true internet moron who heard about those awesome hidden sounds from Harmony Central!

Pop over to the Boss Area Forum and you'll hear plenty of tales of old Boss analogue delays which have been ruined because some clever dick heard that you can squeeze out an extra 100ms of delay by fiddling with things that shouldn't be fiddled with. Unfortunately, they quickly discover that the extra 100ms brings with it a lot of extra noise and distortion. Sound familiar? Those trimmers are not extra controls, they are carefully adjusted bias and calibration settings designed to minimise noise & distortion and make sure the pedal works properly.

Open the pedal. If you're lucky, the previous owner will have marked any changes and any adjustments will be obvious due to cracked glue around the trimmers. If you're unlucky... you'll need an ossiliscope, a signal generator, and a copy of the service notes for this pedal or an identical clone to get things just right again. You can in theory get it right with just your ears and a signal generator but there are three or four pots to balance in most analogue delays if memory serves.

Those factory engineers were not a bunch of hacks working on best guess. Someone needs to put a stop to the ridiculous urban myths surrounding these and similar vintage pedals especially since nobody remembers how to set them up anymore.
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luis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will put pics of mine to help you if it helps,altough I will say I obviously bought it second hand(and it?s not cheap-oldanalog delays aren?t).
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SpringySound
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paladin2019 -- I think you could be right! There are ink marker spots on the trimpots. I put the trimmers back to those marks but it's still pretty awful.
I don't really mind the hiss so much (although there's a bit of that on the echo), but there's an annoying almost ringmod-like high pitched ping or a whine on the echo overlaid on the note -- not related to the note at all, almost like a marker for the echo time. It kinda sounds like Sputnik Anyone else ever heard that?
And Luis...if you could post those pics, I'd appreciate it.

My other delays are a Retrosonic analogue, Boss DSD2 digital, Digitech PSD8000 digital/looper and an old Echoplex, but I thought this one might be nice to have on hand. As it is, it's pretty unusable.

Might just take it to a tech and have it checked out -- replace all the caps and the switch wouldn't hurt anyway. Get it recalibrated...if that's even possible any more.

Cheers
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Paladin2019
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn. Another classic pedal bites the dust

That's the problem with these units, all the trimmers are pretty sensitive and dependant on each other, so simply putting them back to their approximate original positions isn't enough - they have to be set with sensitive equiment. Have-a-go tinkerers don't realise this which is probably why the pedal was on ebay. As I said, you've been ripped off with damaged goods. I hope you didn't return positive feedback.

The TDL-1 is very similar to the Boss DM2/DM3. Schematics and calibration guides for those two can be found on the net (check the boss area forum), as can the schematics for the TDL-1. A competent and well equipped audio engineer (doesn't necessarily have to be a guitar specialist) should be able to work out how to tune up a TDL from the Boss instructions, but obviously it will cost you.

Changing the caps/switch can only be a good thing but I don't think it'll solve the problems you're having. Try to use Panasonic V's or similar metal film caps to replace the mylar films and electrolytics of 1uF or less. You can use silver mica caps to replace the ceramics if you're really fussy. I tend to replace electrolytics higher than 1uF with 25v equivalents.
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