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megid
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Tokai Acoustics Reply with quote

Hi,

I was wondering if the acoustics are finished with nitro. I haven't really found too much information about tokai acoustic guitars and hoping that someone can fill me in here.
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megid
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, to answer my own question....

Some acoustic models that I know of:
Martin D-28 copies
CE 200, 250, 300, 400, 500, 600, 1000, 1400
TCE 30

Gibson copies:
J200 Jumbo
Hummingbird 7656

From what I gather, around 1972, a Tokai representative went to the Martin factories to study their production techniques as they made a deal with each other. From what I've heard, every one of the models, including the lower ones, are excellent not only for the price, but pretty comparable to actual Martin's.

I believe that the CE200s were finished with poly... they're also all laminate tops. The CE250s and 300s were also laminate tops, but I believe were finished in nitro (based on oxidation on the finish I've seen which only occurs on nitro finishes?)

In 1983, they introduced the TCE30 model for only a year, which is the same price as the CE300, but it has a solid spruce top.

Not entirely sure about all of this; asked a japanese ebayer who's sold multiple Cat's Eyes.

He has listed a way to read serial #'s too for a CE250:
Made in 1981, Serial 2516901.(25 for CE250, 1 for 81, 6901 is production number)
From what I gather, not all the acoustics were set up to read like this though.
To quote CheShireCatSmile on serial:
"I have a CE600 and I think there were higher end models above. The model labelling doesn't remain consistent either--newer models have an entirely different model system, and there are some quite high end recent models as well.
Dating these is a bit confusing--I've read conflicting things (first 2 digits, or last 2 digits of serial for date), that would make mine either a 1976 or a 1984 model. The headstock on mine (all caps CAT'S EYES) doesn't seem to appear anywhere around 1984 in catalogues, so I would guess earlier. I'm not sure if my CE600 is an "exact" Martin copy, but it sure is a nice guitar--I'll try to take some photos and post."


Again, I'm not entirely sure about much of this... so please feel free to correct me or add to this.
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JohnA
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've owned a few Tokai Cat's eyes, a CE400 and a 500, I'm pretty sure they weren't nitro. I assume the high-end ones probably were. Like you say though, very nice guitars!
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megid
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that oxidation on the finish only occurs on nitro finished guitars...
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_g6x_FaiOihI/SPaIFUNXS6I/AAAAAAAAB4Y/uQc8LanfQqs/s720/P1150688.JPG
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mistake... just found out that oxidation can occur on any finish. Just asked a professional luthier
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About to receive a TCE-30 in the mail very soon. Will post pics and try to be detailed!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, there's not that much love for the Tokai acoustics here huh?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

megid wrote:
Man, there's not that much love for the Tokai acoustics here huh?

I've got a black Tokai CE-300 that I've had for about 15 years. I'm pretty sure its nitro. Very nice sounding guitar. Built like a Martin (inside).

But mostly I've got OBGs.....

....that I really like.
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megid
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful man... I really like that Dove on the left. I can't seem to find any acoustic ObGs. They seem really hard to find.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to let everyone know; just got my Tokai Cat's Eye TCE-30. Plays like butter, sounds sooooo sweet. I got this for $199 -10% coupon from ebay, and OH MY GOD, the BEST deal I've ever had on almost anything in my entire life. This guitar is a STEAL at this price! I've played my friend's Martin, and this is very comparable. I would definitely put this up against any $1000+ acoustic. I will have pics up soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

megid wrote:
I got this for $199 -10% coupon from ebay...


Those 10% off vouchers from eBay are great aren't they? Every now and then, eBay manages to do something right, for a change, & 10% off the cost of a guitar is well worth having.

Congratulations.

Mike
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My baby! 1979 ce-400. sounds better than it looks, and it looks amazing.[img]

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful guitar!

Here are some pics of my TCE-30











A really nice even-grained solid spruce top for such an inexpensive guitar! Sounds like a dream, feels like the woman of my dreams!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

megid wrote:

feels like the woman of my dreams!


I'm showing restraint.......
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and I named her Kitty as well... Cat's Eyes, GET IT?
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