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Identification of a Tokai SG please (Photos) i think is fake

 
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manchabalaya
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Identification of a Tokai SG please (Photos) i think is fake Reply with quote

Hello everyone.
First of all, i'm sorry for my english, i never learn it, so don't be cruel...
I buy this guitar "Tokai" here in Spain. I don't know what's the model of the guitar.
I am surprised by the strange neck, it seems as repaired, but the guitar is new.
The serial number, not "carved" in the wood, but written, is 064468 (yes, only 6 digit)
My questions are: Is it a REAL Tokai? What's the model, year and country of build?

some photos:


































What do you think? Is it a Tokai? I hope i can have some information.
Thank you very much for your answers.
J.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a Chinese made USG35.

The neck is multi piece and your photos seem to show normal neck joins.
It's not a Japanese one (USG75) obviously, but Tokai do have a lot of price point guitars made in China so as long as you knew this before buying this shouldn't be a surprise.

The model numbering has gone quite weird out of the Chinese factory of late. It used to be FC, then 07 to designate year, we've just had a whole load of Chinese Tokai come through with no FC at the start and a range of starting numbers which don't seem to resemble a year or anything. It looks in good condition and fairly new from the photos - at a rough guess i'd say it was less than a year old.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some pics as reference





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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are so kind, thank you very much!
J.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are joints in the neck like that common in the Chinese guitars?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Are joints in the neck like that common in the Chinese guitars?

Mike


Those are fairly common "scarf joints" but I've not seen them both at the headstock and heel - usually one or the other. Necks like that are super fragile - don't drop it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
Necks like that are super fragile - don't drop it.


Are you sure about that? Technically the headstock-end scarf joint is stronger than a neck cut from one piece of wood, there's no cross grain at that "nasty point" with the scarf joint. That and the fact that a glue join is stronger than the wood in the first place.

I don't think those necks look very pretty but I wouldn't think they're any weaker than any other.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Jones wrote:
marcusnieman wrote:
Necks like that are super fragile - don't drop it.


Are you sure about that? Technically the headstock-end scarf joint is stronger than a neck cut from one piece of wood, there's no cross grain at that "nasty point" with the scarf joint. That and the fact that a glue join is stronger than the wood in the first place.

I don't think those necks look very pretty but I wouldn't think they're any weaker than any other.

Jim


Thanks Jim. The only reason I mention it is that I had an Epiphone Dot with a scarf joint at the headstock and while playing a gig, I swung around and hit the front of the headstock against a PA speaker stand and snapped it cleanly (I mean surgically precise) along the scarf joint. Been gun shy of them ever since. However, it did help fill up our tip jar.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcus,

Holy crap! Well that incident would make me a little gunshy of scarf-jointed headstocks, too! I wonder if it was just a bad glue day at the factory?

Jim
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