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duba56
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Canadian Fake/Bootleg Tokai's Reply with quote

I see alot of comments on Tokai's coming from Canada being fakes/bootlegged. Can any give some insite on this, I have and had bought quite a few Korean Tokai's (5 )from Canadian dealers and would like to know if it is possible I was ripped off. And if I was how would I tell.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See topic below. Should give you some information.

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10228&highlight=fakai
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of things that give them away, the control cavity is slightly off centre, the headstock logo is different, the back of the headstock has written on it "made under license for Tokai etc etc, the necks were maple and so on.
If you can post some detailed pics i'm sure we will be able to identify them for you.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freakin` Canadians...it`s always the quiet ones eh.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
the necks were maple............


I thought the necks of all the Korean LS48s were maple?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mike, yep all the korean tokai's have maple necks, from the als37s through to the als 58v some were even bolt on.. The difference being that the "fake" tokai's were mahogany bodies and maple necks, the real Korean tokai's were alder or plywood bodies, well in the catalogues i have anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it quite amusing that the "fakes" are of a much better quality than the real Korean Tokais.

Gee, if only my fake guitar were plywood instead of mahogany.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
the real Korean tokai's were alder or plywood bodies, well in the catalogues i have anyway.


Really? That's the first I've heard about ply being used. Every description of the Korean LRs I have seen states alder body, sycamore top, maple neck. Which catalogues say they were ply?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mike, 2000 catalogue volume 21, i have it right here in front of me, the plywood models are....als 37 M, als 48 BB, als 48 M, als 56 V . I don't have a scanner but if i can get hold of one i'll post pics, i can absolutely guarentee they made plywood bodied guitars.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
Hi Mike, yep all the korean tokai's have maple necks, from the als37s through to the als 58v some were even bolt on.. The difference being that the "fake" tokai's were mahogany bodies and maple necks, the real Korean tokai's were alder or plywood bodies, well in the catalogues i have anyway.

Mick


So I guess the only way I can redeem my soul is to take my fine mahogany "fake" Korean Tokai, turn it into kindling, then go out and buy a "legitimate" plywood model.

Nahhh, I don't think so.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobb wrote:
leadguitar_323 wrote:
Hi Mike, yep all the korean tokai's have maple necks, from the als37s through to the als 58v some were even bolt on.. The difference being that the "fake" tokai's were mahogany bodies and maple necks, the real Korean tokai's were alder or plywood bodies, well in the catalogues i have anyway.

Mick


So I guess the only way I can redeem my soul is to take my fine mahogany "fake" Korean Tokai, turn it into kindling, then go out and buy a "legitimate" plywood model.

Nahhh, I don't think so.

Your feeble attempt at sarcasm is noted Bobb.
Nobody is blaming you for owning one of these knockoffs...we solely lay the blame at the feet of the former Canadian distributor...who was the one that commissioned companies other than Tokai to build the guitars.
As has been stated numerous times previously...we're sure that some of these guitars are well built and play/sound good....but the fact remains...although they have a Tokai script on the headstock they are NOT a Tokai
Your time would be better spent researching the origins(factory) of your particular guitar.
For example:
The Canadian fake Tokai 335 models were built by Dillion in their Korean plant and actually have a Dillion branded equivalent model...i.e. the serial number is prefixed with a "D" to denote Dillion.
Again YOU'RE not to blame for being suckered so the sarcasm is NOT welcomed and any future posts may be deleted.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bob, mate i don't think i said anywhere that they were crap guitars, to the contrary i have read a few reviews on the net about the "fake" Canadian tokai's and they are supposed to be quite good, so i'm not too sure what your point is...

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozeshin wrote:
Again YOU'RE not to blame for being suckered so the sarcasm is NOT welcomed and any future posts may be deleted.


Seems a bit harsh. It was this thread that revealed to many of us that some Korean LRs were made of ply - I had no idea about that before - so that seems like a worthwhile subject for discussion.

And if you're going to start deleting posts where somebody is a bit sarcastic, you're going to be kept very busy, as well as changing the tone of the forum.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You weren't being sarcastic were you Mike..!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm offended at the very suggestion Mick!

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